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[193.54.123.223]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id f10-v6sm5206142wrc.93.2018.07.04.06.11.00 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 04 Jul 2018 06:11:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Looking for someone who can answer questions wrt. Open Source and Standardization To: dev@community.apache.org, geospatial@apache.org References: From: Martin Desruisseaux Organization: Geomatys Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2018 15:11:00 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB Hello Isabel I put the Apache geospatial mailing list in copy because I believe this community has lot of experience in interactions between Open Source software and standardization. For example the Apache Spatial Information System (SIS) project is a lot about implementing standards developed jointly by the Open Geospatial Consortium (OGC) and the International Organization for Standardization (ISO). Apache SIS sits between the two world; we contribute both to the development of some standards inside OGC (in the limit of our capacity) and their implementation inside Apache. One person that may be nice to get in touch is George Percivall. He is a member of OGC staff (also a key person in organizing geospatial tracks in Apache conferences) and editor of Open Geospatial APIs White Paper [1]. Among other things, this white paper proposes a definition of "open standard". In my personal experience, one thing I would like to discuss is the difference between "open source" and "open standard". The Open Source Initiative and the Free Software Foundation Europe proposes definitions [2],[3] that are close to open source definitions, but not identical. A key difference is that "open standard" freedoms do not include the freedom to modify the standard outside the standardization body. In my experience, I found difficult to get this restriction accepted by some open source communities (the example I have in mind is a project outside Apache). The geospatial community can testify about the damages caused by open source software modifying standards for their convenience, resulting in data thousands of kilometres apart from their expected locations because of inconsistent Coordinate Reference System definitions. I would be interested in discussions about how to help the use of "open standards" in "open source" projects with acceptance that open standards are governed under rules different than the ones specified by open source licenses.     Martin [1] http://docs.opengeospatial.org/wp/16-019r4/16-019r4.html [2] https://opensource.org/osr [3] http://fsfe.org/activities/os/def.html Le 04/07/2018 à 13:56, Isabel Drost-Fromm a écrit : > Hi, > > I have been contacted by a friend who is working on a study about the topic > "Open Source and standardization" for the EU commission. He would like to > be put in touch with someone at the ASF, who can provide their perspective > wrt. to the following two questions: > > * Input on how the ASF views their collaboration (in whatever format) with > standardization organisations. > * Input from ASF projects that sit between open source licenses and IPR > rules and governance frameworks of standardization organisations. > > I'm happy to put you in touch, if you have a few cycles and would like to > share your perspective. If you are receiving this in your inbox, than > you've been on bcc: to the mail to dev@community.apache.org because I > believe you could have valuable input to share. Let me know if you have a > bit of time so I can get you in touch. > > > Isabel > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@community.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@community.apache.org