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From Isabel Drost-Fromm <>
Subject Re: Doing open source while maintaining your sanity
Date Thu, 21 Dec 2017 10:32:19 GMT
+1 to all of the below

Am 11. Dezember 2017 21:45:10 MEZ schrieb Phil Steitz <>:
>On 12/8/17 7:20 AM, Myrle Krantz wrote:
>> Hi Isabel,
>> Since sustainable development is very much in Apache's interest as a
>> foundation, I believe this is an excellent idea.
>> My first thoughts on where this could go:
>> 1.) This belongs somewhere under
>> 2.) It should come "early" in the intro to open source development.
>> So maybe here: ?
>> 3.) It's important enough to link to from the first community page,
>> maybe under or with the code of conduct?
>+1 - whatever we can pull together belongs here.
>Some general narrative on "volunteeritis" and how to stay sane would
>likely be helpful, but what would be really cool is if we could
>somehow organize some more interactive, personal support for
>volunteers in need.  I would love to see some health services
>provider(s) step up to offer pro bono services to volunteers and
>even communities going through difficult times.  I don't think we
>have ever tried to recruit anyone to help us in this area.  Does
>anyone have ideas?  Does anyone know of organizations who are
>offering counseling services to OSS developers?  We could at least
>include links to these if we can find them.
>Personally, I agree with the intent of the German law (IIUC what
>Isabel is saying below) that employers are responsible for mental as
>well as physical problems that their employees encounter as a result
>of their employment.  As a foundation, I think we should strive to
>make sure that we have a net positive impact on the lives of our
>volunteers.  I know a lot of us are here because of that "positive
>impact."  Most of us have also been through periods where the impact
>swung into the negative.  Just by acknowledging that its important,
>and watching for the warning signs in ourselves and others, we can
>make a big difference.
>Thanks for raising this, Sharan, Isabel and Myrle.
>> But I'm still fairly new to comdev.  Who else has an opinion about
>> where this belongs?
>> Best Regards,
>> Myrle
>> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Isabel Drost-Fromm
><> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Last week at FOSS Backstage one of the topics Sharan discussed in
>her talk was IIRC the responsibility that comes with running an and
>participating in an open source project. One of the topics related to
>keeping an eye on your own well being as well as on your peers.
>>> At Apache we have a couple resources that warn against things like
>volunteeritis, over committing and the like. I'm not sure how visible
>these are, also I'm not sure if Apache projects in general are aware of
>the topic of mental health.
>>> IANAL, but AFAIK at least in Germany, mental health legally is
>treated the same way as physical health when it comes to employer
>liability (someone with better "legal English" skills, please correct
>my wording). While we are not an employer, would it make sense to offer
>some material on the topic to community members? I would guess that we
>wouldn't need to produce any new content, but maybe just link to and
>endorse existing stuff we already have? (Maybe we already do that, it's
>been a while since I was a new committer reading through the getting
>started docs, so anyone who is new - feedback welcome.)
>>> Isabel
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