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From Phil Steitz <>
Subject Re: Doing open source while maintaining your sanity
Date Mon, 11 Dec 2017 20:45:10 GMT
On 12/8/17 7:20 AM, Myrle Krantz wrote:
> Hi Isabel,
> Since sustainable development is very much in Apache's interest as a
> foundation, I believe this is an excellent idea.
> My first thoughts on where this could go:
> 1.) This belongs somewhere under
> 2.) It should come "early" in the intro to open source development.
> So maybe here: ?
> 3.) It's important enough to link to from the first community page,
> maybe under or with the code of conduct?

+1 - whatever we can pull together belongs here.

Some general narrative on "volunteeritis" and how to stay sane would
likely be helpful, but what would be really cool is if we could
somehow organize some more interactive, personal support for
volunteers in need.  I would love to see some health services
provider(s) step up to offer pro bono services to volunteers and
even communities going through difficult times.  I don't think we
have ever tried to recruit anyone to help us in this area.  Does
anyone have ideas?  Does anyone know of organizations who are
offering counseling services to OSS developers?  We could at least
include links to these if we can find them.

Personally, I agree with the intent of the German law (IIUC what
Isabel is saying below) that employers are responsible for mental as
well as physical problems that their employees encounter as a result
of their employment.  As a foundation, I think we should strive to
make sure that we have a net positive impact on the lives of our
volunteers.  I know a lot of us are here because of that "positive
impact."  Most of us have also been through periods where the impact
swung into the negative.  Just by acknowledging that its important,
and watching for the warning signs in ourselves and others, we can
make a big difference.

Thanks for raising this, Sharan, Isabel and Myrle.

> But I'm still fairly new to comdev.  Who else has an opinion about
> where this belongs?
> Best Regards,
> Myrle
> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Isabel Drost-Fromm <> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Last week at FOSS Backstage one of the topics Sharan discussed in her talk was IIRC
the responsibility that comes with running an and participating in an open source project.
One of the topics related to keeping an eye on your own well being as well as on your peers.
>> At Apache we have a couple resources that warn against things like volunteeritis,
over committing and the like. I'm not sure how visible these are, also I'm not sure if Apache
projects in general are aware of the topic of mental health.
>> IANAL, but AFAIK at least in Germany, mental health legally is treated the same way
as physical health when it comes to employer liability (someone with better "legal English"
skills, please correct my wording). While we are not an employer, would it make sense to offer
some material on the topic to community members? I would guess that we wouldn't need to produce
any new content, but maybe just link to and endorse existing stuff we already have? (Maybe
we already do that, it's been a while since I was a new committer reading through the getting
started docs, so anyone who is new - feedback welcome.)
>> Isabel
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