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From Ian Dunlop <ianwdun...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Rethinking email (was Re: A plead from a chair with an overloaded mailbox.)
Date Tue, 24 Oct 2017 09:57:04 GMT
Hello,

I agree that email can get overwhelming but every other solution has so far
failed to meet it's "search-ability" and ease of use (IMHO). There was a
glimmer of hope once in google (now Apache) wave. That would appear to have
been the solution that Kay (and many more of us) would have liked email to
have evolved into - an integrated email and messaging platform.

Cheers,

Ian

On 23 October 2017 at 23:41, Kay Schenk <kay.schenk@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 5:18 AM, Harbs <harbs.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > To me, subject tags are a partial (slightly annoying) solution to the
> > problem. If there’s no better solution, then I suppose it could make
> things
> > better, but it would likely require a lot of retraining of folks. I
> wonder
> > how realistic that is.
> >
> > > ...while preserving the ubiquity of email which is *very* important in
> > the
> > > Apache model, IMO.
> >
>
> ​Yes. Email is fine.
> ​
>
>
> >
> > To be clear, I was not suggesting removing support for email clients. I
> > was rather suggesting *additional* tools which could be used to improve
> the
> > experience.
> >
>
> ​Unless these tools could somehow "merge" with the email experience, I am
> not in favor of this.
>
> I do agree that the amount of email can be very overwhelming at times, but
> we have archive tools AND the Pony mail at lists.apache.org is a good way
> to NOT directly subscribe while still being able to respond as you want and
> are able.​
>
>
>
> > > On Oct 20, 2017, at 11:50 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> > bdelacretaz@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Harbs <harbs.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> ...I’m wondering if it makes sense to take a step back and rethink
> > email and communication.
> > >> This feels like part of a bigger challenge...
> > >
> > > One of my favorite ways to make sense of busy mailing lists is to
> > > require subject line [tags] for everything.
> > >
> > > Rich Bowen recently pointed me to  OpenStack dev list which does
> > > exactly that, http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-
> > June/thread.html
> > >
> > > This paves the way for improved mail clients or plugins which can make
> > > good use of that, without requiring complicated new tools and while
> > > preserving the ubiquity of email which is *very* important in the
> > > Apache model, IMO.
> > >
> > > One thing that remains is the need for people to quote in a sane way,
> > > spending a big more energy on their side to save the energy of lots of
> > > people reading the result. I understand some email clients are
> > > terrible at that but I'm not sure if it's a valid excuse for our
> > > frequent top-quoted messes.
> > >
> > > -Bertrand
> > >
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