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From Isabel Drost-Fromm <>
Subject Re: FOSDEM Apache Developer Room ?
Date Mon, 11 Sep 2017 09:55:35 GMT
On Sun, Sep 10, 2017 at 08:27:58PM +0200, Andrea Pescetti wrote:
> On 06/09/2017 Sharan Foga wrote:
>> It sounds like the general feeling is to do it, so I will put something
>> together for the Developer room request.
> Note that I submitted a request on behalf of the OpenOffice PMC to have  
> the traditional "ODF Editors" devroom that has been co-organized by  
> OpenOffice since 2014.

Awesome. Great to see that continued effort.

> I honestly believe that it would be closer to the spirit of FOSDEM if  
> other ASF projects tried to join a devroom where they fit in a technical  
> sense more than in a community sense, especially if you take into  
> account that one of the very few requirements for presentations is to be  
> of a technical nature - and in my case I will surely find more familiar  
> a technical presentation about a non-ASF, ODF-related project than one  
> about an ASF-operated but ODF-unrelated one.

I think this is conflating multiple assumptions:

First of all, I don't think the idea of having an Apache Dev Room at FOSDEM is to
try and cover all Apache technical goodness in one devroom track. That indeed
would not be feasible.

Also, I don't think anyone will expect ppl active in Apache projects to
exclusively present content on Apache projects in an Apache dev room. It makes
much more sense from a "how many ppl can we reach" kind of perspective to go and
seek the technologically relevant dev room for the talk at hand (or even create
a project specific dev room and see if that gets accepted).

Now if I'm reading this thread correctly, what could work for an Apache Dev room
could involve stories along the lines of Apache Way, economics, legal and social
implications of being a 501c3, stories on how projects at Apache have developed
community wise.

You mention that FOSDEM sets a requirement for presentations to be of a
technical nature - this is not what I have observed during the past ten years
attending and/or speaking at FOSDEM: Yes there is lots of technical content.
However there also is a very successful legal dev room. There recently was a
community dev room. There were talks in the main tracks on the inner workings of
various large scale projects. There were talks within technical dev rooms that
focussed on best practices organising meetups. In the early days of open
sourcing Java there were several discussions on how to go about that and how to
best integrate the various packaging communities in the Java Dev Room...

> That said, I surely don't want to discourage you from applying for an  
> "Apache Devroom". Just consider that some projects might join other  
> devrooms not because they feel "special" or "bigger" or "more  
> important", but because in the very competitive FOSDEM process this  
> gives them the opportunity to better fit the FOSDEM requirements.

Hopefully nobody would be angry for others trying to spread the word beyond our
own circles.


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