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From Santiago Gala <>
Subject Re: Invitation to travel to Berlin
Date Thu, 11 May 2017 12:51:08 GMT
I'm spending substantial time working in Usedom, so I could attend from
there or in my way there from Madrid or back... if I know the timing well
in advance.

I'm interested in cat herding and community issues, and would love to go.


On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 12:58 PM, Kevin A. McGrail <> wrote:

> Sounds like a great idea and perhaps this could be our apachecon EU?  With
> some funding and backing and minimal costs to attendees?
> Don't want to ruin your idea either but I do not know what a holocracy or
> Alexanderplatz.  So I am just throwing ideas out and will look at your
> survey!
> Regards,
> On May 10, 2017 4:15:24 PM EDT, Isabel Drost-Fromm <>
> wrote:
> >CAREFUL: This mail was posted to lists with different visibility
> >levels.
> >I would love to see any discussion following it happen in public. While
> >
> >I'm subscribed to a few of our events lists, I would assume many people
> >
> >at Apache aren't which is why IMHO dev@c.a.o might be a good place to
> >take this proposal apart.
> >
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >TL;DR: Back when I created Berlin Buzzwords I did so to have an excuse
> >to invite lovely people from all over the world to visit Berlin. It
> >took
> >until last week for me to ask some people outside of the NoSQL/ search/
> >
> >big data circles what I would have to do to get them to travel to
> >Berlin. The answer I got? "Just ask" - So here I am.
> >
> >
> >
> >Longer version (I know I'll regret thinking about this a second after
> >hitting send):
> >
> >Looking in vain for an existing group of people to exchange ideas
> >around
> >the topic of distributed team management across organisation
> >boundaries,
> >last summer I started organising - "async
> >cat herding" meetup for exactly this topic. I've scheduled it at lunch
> >time, received lots of interest, but for one talk at a time usually
> >attracted only roughly 20 attendees.
> >
> >Ever since I started that thing my head has been tossing around the
> >idea
> >to see if one could arrange something bigger. Something that touches
> >community management, open development, inner source, project
> >neutrality, foundation growth, async communication - essentially some
> >sort of Apache Community Summit, or Apache Community Hackathon to
> >overload the meetup acronym's meaning.
> >
> >I started working for a new employer (, fintech founded in
> >1999, meetup friendly, organised holocratically***) as "Open Source
> >Strategist"*. Shortly after starting there a colleague (Stefan, CC'ed)
> >told me that this company has space for 180ppl total at no cost (2
> >rooms, one of which can be split, so it's 3 rooms max). This
> >information
> >got me thinking, the result of that thinking made Stefan "slightly"
> >nervous ;) However that same result also made a handful of ASF
> >affiliated people smile when I shared it with them, so I thought it
> >would make sense to take the idea one step further:
> >
> >With this mail I would like to see how much interest there would be in
> >attending an event that is solely about Apache project leadership
> >topics.
> >
> >If there's only <20 ppl, I'm happy to offer my family's living room,
> >been there, done that before - promise to keep the 3D printer switched
> >off this time around.
> >
> >If there's <70ppl, we can easily host this in the Europace Casino
> >meetup
> >room, no big deal, there's plenty of experience in how to do that there
> >
> >including one video recording set should we be inclined to record any
> >talks.
> >
> >For the case that there's <200ppl interested, we will need some
> >organisation time up-front, but I have been told that we would be
> >welcome.
> >
> >If more than 200ppl attend, I'd have to get creative.
> >
> >
> >Up until 200ppl I'd keep the event free as in free beer to everyone who
> >
> >contributed to Apache and hand out tickets on a first come first serve
> >basis. Free as in free beer means no first class catering, no
> >reimbursement for speakers, no fancy conference hotel to spend all your
> >
> >conference days in. However is located close to Berlin
> >Alexanderplatz - you won't starve for a lack of food. Nor will you get
> >bored if you need some fresh air, happy to share local knowledge on
> >what
> >to do, where to eat, what to see ;)
> >
> >
> >Apart from number of attendees there are a couple open questions I'm
> >aware of:
> >
> >- In terms of topics I would love to focus on developer
> >collaboration, Apache Way, Community leadership, distributed teams**.
> >If
> >we want organised tracks, I'd need speakers. For a first iteration I
> >won't setup a double blind submission and review system and instead
> >keep
> >things as simple as possible which implies a good chance of unfairness.
> >
> >- For marketing I would love to bring this to the Berlin Buzzwords
> >team,
> >I can talk to German publishers, would rely on Apache channels for
> >everything else.
> >
> >- Should someone want professional videos and want to pay for that I
> >can
> >see if I can get you in touch with the ppl who have done this in the
> >past at Buzzwords, if not, maybe Google Live Hangouts could be an
> >option
> >(have done this for the past two achnee meetups, worked ok-ish, depends
> >
> >on bandwidth).
> >
> >- I have no idea wrt. to pricing - to avoid contractual obligations,
> >tax
> >implications and personal liability stuff I'd shoot for minimising
> >number of signed contracts/ money collected with the caveat that people
> >
> >would have to be honest in giving back tickets they don't need (which
> >currently doesn't work with organised events here in
> >Berlin).
> >I've had crowdfunding suggested before - yes, this is an option, if we
> >find or create an intermediate entity to collect and wisely spend the
> >money that is not me - otherwise among other things my tax declaration
> >get's even more complicated than it already is, and no I won't be the
> >one creating an e.V. for that myself for the same reasons that I didn't
> >
> >do that back when Berlin Buzzwords was founded: I'm not a paperwork
> >loving person, sorry.
> >
> >
> >If you are interested in all of this, I have prepared a short poll for
> >you:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Isabel (about to regret having hit send in a minute, not proof reading
> >as otherwise I won't send this out...)
> >
> >
> >
> >* If any of you have any good advise on where/ how to start and which
> >pitfalls to avoid, lets talk separately.
> >
> >** Mostly out of personal interest and because I'm frustrated that for
> >me it seems easier to find such content by anyone but the Apache
> >Software Foundation, but maybe that's my personal filter bubble.
> >
> >*** Press teaser adapted, shortened and translated from the official
> >German version: Hypoport AG is a FinTech service provider in the
> >financial industry. The business model is based on a portfolio of
> >institutional customers, private clients, financial services companies.
> >
> >Europace AG is a 100% subsidiary of Hypoport, developing and operating
> >an online financial market place called Europace, the largest German
> >platform for real estate financing, building loan products, and advise
> >credit products. Europace is connecting roughly 400 partners - banks,
> >insurances, financial sales institutions. Several thousand users are
> >handling roughly 35k transactions each month with a volumn of about 4
> >billion Euro via the Europace platform.
> >
> >
> >
> >.oO(I'm wondering if anyone really reads until down here...)

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