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From Piergiorgio Lucidi <>
Subject Re: Invitation to travel to Berlin
Date Thu, 25 May 2017 13:00:41 GMT
Hi Isabel,

thank you so much for this proposal.
I would like to contribute on this.

Great idea :)


2017-05-10 22:15 GMT+02:00 Isabel Drost-Fromm <>:

> CAREFUL: This mail was posted to lists with different visibility levels. I
> would love to see any discussion following it happen in public. While I'm
> subscribed to a few of our events lists, I would assume many people at
> Apache aren't which is why IMHO dev@c.a.o might be a good place to take
> this proposal apart.
> Hi,
> TL;DR: Back when I created Berlin Buzzwords I did so to have an excuse to
> invite lovely people from all over the world to visit Berlin. It took until
> last week for me to ask some people outside of the NoSQL/ search/ big data
> circles what I would have to do to get them to travel to Berlin. The answer
> I got? "Just ask" - So here I am.
> Longer version (I know I'll regret thinking about this a second after
> hitting send):
> Looking in vain for an existing group of people to exchange ideas around
> the topic of distributed team management across organisation boundaries,
> last summer I started organising - "async cat
> herding" meetup for exactly this topic. I've scheduled it at lunch time,
> received lots of interest, but for one talk at a time usually attracted
> only roughly 20 attendees.
> Ever since I started that thing my head has been tossing around the idea
> to see if one could arrange something bigger. Something that touches
> community management, open development, inner source, project neutrality,
> foundation growth, async communication - essentially some sort of Apache
> Community Summit, or Apache Community Hackathon to overload the meetup
> acronym's meaning.
> I started working for a new employer (, fintech founded in
> 1999, meetup friendly, organised holocratically***) as "Open Source
> Strategist"*. Shortly after starting there a colleague (Stefan, CC'ed)
> told me that this company has space for 180ppl total at no cost (2 rooms,
> one of which can be split, so it's 3 rooms max). This information got me
> thinking, the result of that thinking made Stefan "slightly" nervous ;)
> However that same result also made a handful of ASF affiliated people smile
> when I shared it with them, so I thought it would make sense to take the
> idea one step further:
> With this mail I would like to see how much interest there would be in
> attending an event that is solely about Apache project leadership topics.
> If there's only <20 ppl, I'm happy to offer my family's living room, been
> there, done that before - promise to keep the 3D printer switched off this
> time around.
> If there's <70ppl, we can easily host this in the Europace Casino meetup
> room, no big deal, there's plenty of experience in how to do that there
> including one video recording set should we be inclined to record any talks.
> For the case that there's <200ppl interested, we will need some
> organisation time up-front, but I have been told that we would be welcome.
> If more than 200ppl attend, I'd have to get creative.
> Up until 200ppl I'd keep the event free as in free beer to everyone who
> contributed to Apache and hand out tickets on a first come first serve
> basis. Free as in free beer means no first class catering, no reimbursement
> for speakers, no fancy conference hotel to spend all your conference days
> in. However is located close to Berlin Alexanderplatz - you
> won't starve for a lack of food. Nor will you get bored if you need some
> fresh air, happy to share local knowledge on what to do, where to eat, what
> to see ;)
> Apart from number of attendees there are a couple open questions I'm aware
> of:
> - In terms of topics I would love to focus on developer
> collaboration, Apache Way, Community leadership, distributed teams**. If
> we want organised tracks, I'd need speakers. For a first iteration I won't
> setup a double blind submission and review system and instead keep things
> as simple as possible which implies a good chance of unfairness.
> - For marketing I would love to bring this to the Berlin Buzzwords team, I
> can talk to German publishers, would rely on Apache channels for everything
> else.
> - Should someone want professional videos and want to pay for that I can
> see if I can get you in touch with the ppl who have done this in the past
> at Buzzwords, if not, maybe Google Live Hangouts could be an option (have
> done this for the past two achnee meetups, worked ok-ish, depends on
> bandwidth).
> - I have no idea wrt. to pricing - to avoid contractual obligations, tax
> implications and personal liability stuff I'd shoot for minimising number
> of signed contracts/ money collected with the caveat that people would have
> to be honest in giving back tickets they don't need (which currently
> doesn't work with organised events here in Berlin). I've had
> crowdfunding suggested before - yes, this is an option, if we find or
> create an intermediate entity to collect and wisely spend the money that is
> not me - otherwise among other things my tax declaration get's even more
> complicated than it already is, and no I won't be the one creating an e.V.
> for that myself for the same reasons that I didn't do that back when Berlin
> Buzzwords was founded: I'm not a paperwork loving person, sorry.
> If you are interested in all of this, I have prepared a short poll for you:
> Cheers,
> Isabel (about to regret having hit send in a minute, not proof reading as
> otherwise I won't send this out...)
> * If any of you have any good advise on where/ how to start and which
> pitfalls to avoid, lets talk separately.
> ** Mostly out of personal interest and because I'm frustrated that for me
> it seems easier to find such content by anyone but the Apache Software
> Foundation, but maybe that's my personal filter bubble.
> *** Press teaser adapted, shortened and translated from the official
> German version: Hypoport AG is a FinTech service provider in the financial
> industry. The business model is based on a portfolio of institutional
> customers, private clients, financial services companies. Europace AG is a
> 100% subsidiary of Hypoport, developing and operating an online financial
> market place called Europace, the largest German platform for real estate
> financing, building loan products, and advise credit products. Europace is
> connecting roughly 400 partners - banks, insurances, financial sales
> institutions. Several thousand users are handling roughly 35k transactions
> each month with a volumn of about 4 billion Euro via the Europace platform.
> .oO(I'm wondering if anyone really reads until down here...)
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Piergiorgio Lucidi
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