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From Niclas Hedhman <>
Subject Re: Vetoes for New Committers??
Date Tue, 04 Apr 2017 23:26:19 GMT
But Ted, how does the minority regain the "minority's voice heard" simply
by veto of new members? If they place unreasonable vetoes and hope that
over time the majority will "evaporate" seems unproductive as well.

Vetoes can become very contentious, and I don't really buy the arguments
presented in favor of using it. To me a negative use is a BDFL-type
leader/founder preventing active contributors from getting a say in a

The raised problem of community disharmony is not served with vetoes,

On Apr 4, 2017 14:06, "Ted Dunning" <> wrote:

I hear it as the voice of (occasionally bitter) experience.

It could easily be my own voice as well. I have found in my own limited
experience that communities who pay attention to minority voices to be far
better at producing real consensus. I have also found that people with a
majority-rules opinion often change their opinion to minority-must-be-heard
when they are no longer in the majority. That matches what Joe said pretty

His phrasing might not be what I would use, but his experience seems to
match mine quite closely.

I also really don't see how a valid statement of long experience is FUD. I
certainly see a healthy dose of FUD in my day job from competitors and
Joe's statement is pretty different.

On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 10:36 PM, Pierre Smits <>

> That borders on FUD.
> Op di 4 apr. 2017 om 05:03 schreef Joseph Schaefer
> <>
> > Trust me niclas, you would be singing a very different tune if you
> > believed something like that were happening in a project you were
> > on and you were a member of the minority powerless to put a halt to it.

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