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From Luciano Resende <luckbr1...@gmail.com>
Subject Committer Diversity Survey - Infra Related Feedback
Date Wed, 01 Mar 2017 05:26:39 GMT
There was a private thread started around the infra related feedback from
the "Committer Diversity Survey", and it was summarized by one of our
colleagues as: GitHub, GitHub, GitHub, GitHub

I would like to bring my perspective around this, as I don't think it's
about GitHub, GitHub, GitHub, but about what GitHub provides for their
users: a self-service infrastructure that easily enables projects to be
created and administered by their creators.

I believe that most of the constructive feedback Apache receives around
infrastructure are triggered by the fact that it is still very hard to get
non-code related things done at ASF, particularly if you are new to the
organization and don't know the right people to ask for help.

I believe that The ASF (we) should seriously start discussing and come up
with a plan to make Apache a self-service organization (something similar
to https://whimsy.apache.org/  but much more focused on general services
and named something like services.apache.org) so that anyone with
appropriate karma could, as an example, create the necessary resources for
a newly accepted Podling by submitting one form and this would trigger the
creation of mailing lists, repositories all properly mirrored to github,
with all necessary workflow notifications enabled, etc. Which today
involves multiple steps, sometimes with interdependencies which can cause
the Podling creation to take over a week.

The other issue that I hear over and over again, is about the way we
communicate using subscription-based mailing lists, but I believe the
recent changes around https://lists.apache.org should have resolved most of
the issues, as long as the hard work from infra team is properly advertised
and linked from multiple places.

I have added infra and general as bcc to this thread, so others can provide
some feedback on the subject, but let's try not to hijack the thread into
different mailing lists and keep the discussion at dev@community.apache.org
mailing list.


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Luciano Resende
http://twitter.com/lresende1975
http://lresende.blogspot.com/

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