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From Isabel Drost-Fromm <>
Subject Re: Committer Diversity Survey - Infra Related Feedback
Date Wed, 01 Mar 2017 09:52:09 GMT
Thank you Luciano for surfacing this discussion here!

On Tue, Feb 28, 2017 at 09:26:39PM -0800, Luciano Resende wrote:
> I believe that The ASF (we) should seriously start discussing and come up
> with a plan to make Apache a self-service organization (something similar
> to  but much more focused on general services
> and named something like so that anyone with
> appropriate karma could, as an example, create the necessary resources for
> a newly accepted Podling by submitting one form and this would trigger the
> creation of mailing lists, repositories all properly mirrored to github,
> with all necessary workflow notifications enabled, etc. Which today
> involves multiple steps, sometimes with interdependencies which can cause
> the Podling creation to take over a week.

Someone from INFRA probably is in a better position to answer that than me, but
I believe automation already is a huge topic there at the moment.

However I think the call for github isn't entirely wrong. Github did add a
social component to open source, sort of binding people into it's community. It
also standardized many development processes - that makes it easier to contribute
to projects in a drive-by manner: Submitting patches, code review, merging
patches are all part of one web UI that is essentially the same for all
projects. On the flip side this means projects are less flexible here.

I personally don't think re-building github on our side is a good idea - I don't
think this is particularly cost-effective. With that in mind I'm following our
experiments to use github as master but replicating the project history to our
servers with interest.

I'd love to hear other opinions here!

> The other issue that I hear over and over again, is about the way we
> communicate using subscription-based mailing lists, but I believe the
> recent changes around should have resolved most of
> the issues, as long as the hard work from infra team is properly advertised
> and linked from multiple places.

+1 - the service is great.

To be quite frank and honest - it could benefit from having a UX expert look
over the current user interface, in particular when it comes to using the search
integrated with it. Sometimes I find myself at a loss when filters applied to
one search are lost with the next. Maybe watching actual users use the service
would be helpful to put more actionable tasks behind that gut feeling.


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