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From ARIJIT DAS <arijit.mcse...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Profile photos and ASF values
Date Wed, 01 Feb 2017 06:13:27 GMT
 Please note Swastika is an ancient symbol of Hindus in India...Hitler used
it no way implies that the symbol is improper...If you go through our Vedas
and other mythologies you will find it symbolizes the knowledge and
power...and still today danish air force also uses this symbol.India has
one of the richest culture and heritage in the world.Many people has used
manything of our culture and heritage in many ways for many purpose some
are good some are bad.Why will we give up something which symbolizes
actually good in our culture? World leaders should learn the lesson from
WW2 from Hiroshima Nagasaki from adverse effects of colonization from
exploitation of poor.Mere opposing a symbol will add any value to mankind?

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 10:30 AM, P. Taylor Goetz <ptgoetz@gmail.com> wrote:

> +1 for Ted's approach.
>
> I'm young in terms of ASF years, but I've found it to be very apolitical.
> Recently it's actually been a refreshing departure from what seems like an
> avalanche. It seems most people here seem to check their personal beliefs
> at the door.
>
> My guess is that it is a case of innocence, but a follow up with
> information about cultural sensitivities seems prudent.
>
> -Taylor
>
> > On Jan 31, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Niclas Hedhman <niclas@hedhman.org> wrote:
> >
> > As Ted pointed out, it is an ancient symbol found in most Far East
> > mythology and the Hindu religion. "Out here" you will find it quite
> often,
> > on shops, temples and business cards. It doesn't "carry weight" unless it
> > comes in black on white, with the Nazi proportions of widths. The Nazi
> one
> > was also at an angle.
> >
> > We all know that in this instance, there is no malignant intent, and
> should
> > not require any action.
> >
> > And we have not had any case of "red and black" and "something needs to
> be
> > said" as far as I know.
> >
> > But the 'solution' is relatively simple; ASF is a non-political
> > organization, and expression of political views (such as showing
> political
> > allegiance, berating political figures, commenting on political activity,
> > and so on) is not acceptable, regardless if that is a hate organization
> > like the Nazis or more moderate political statements that many may agree
> > with, say recent elections in the world or outbreaks of war. We should
> not
> > be involved, I think we are even obliged by Law to not be involved.
> >
> > Cheers
> > Niclas
> >
> >> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:58 AM, Andrew Palumbo <ap.dev@outlook.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I am pretty new around here and don't know if this is a more private
> room
> >> for ASF members .. but my .02:  of it is in red and black, then
> something
> >> needs to be said.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
> >>
> >>
> >> -------- Original message --------
> >> From: Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com>
> >> Date: 01/31/2017 3:50 PM (GMT-08:00)
> >> To: dev@community.apache.org
> >> Subject: Re: Profile photos and ASF values
> >>
> >> Yeah... I twitched when I saw that.
> >>
> >> My suspicion is that this is being used in the ancient, pre-nazi sense.
> >>
> >> It is hard to believe that somebody is ignorant of the impact it must
> have
> >> on some readers.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:47 PM, Christopher <ctubbsii@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> It is surprising to me that a certain individual participant in ASF
> >> forums
> >>> seems to be using a swastika as their Google profile photo. The impact
> of
> >>> this is that ASF users which use GMail to interact with the mailing
> >> lists,
> >>> are presented with this swastika whenever reading or interacting with
> ASF
> >>> forums using GMail.
> >>>
> >>> To be clear, this symbol can have alternate meanings, and it may not be
> >>> intentionally being used as Nazi symbol. Additionally, even if this
> >>> individual holds to certain ideologies which may be antithetical to ASF
> >>> community inclusive values, they may act entirely professional and in
> >>> accordance with ASF code of conduct on Apache forums. So, I don't want
> to
> >>> imply that the profile photo is indicative of their ASF interactions...
> >> it
> >>> may be an entirely separate thing.
> >>>
> >>> My main inquiry here is to question whether or not there is a concern,
> >>> because the use of such profile photos may actually have consequences
> of
> >>> deterring potential new committers, because Apache may be indicted by
> >>> association.
> >>>
> >>> Is there something we wish to do about this? Is it a non-issue? I
> really
> >>> don't know. All I know, is my gut tells me that I'm bothered when I see
> >> it
> >>> (I use GMail). But, I don't want to overreact, or start a witch hunt.
> I'm
> >>> genuinely curious if this is something we want to address at all.
> >>>
> >>> If the profile photo is used on ASF infrastructure (JIRA, affiliated
> as a
> >>> member of the Apache org on GitHub, etc.), then I think we probably do
> >> want
> >>> to address it in the Code of Conduct. However, unrelated services like
> >>> Google profile photos... that may not be something we want to address,
> >>> because the web mail client users use is not related to ASF services
> >> (even
> >>> if it were know for user that it impacted ASF community by deterring
> >>> potential new community members).
> >>>
> >>> In any case, I don't raise this issue to demean the individual whose
> >>> profile photo came to my attention... this is not an attack on them.
> >> Again,
> >>> this is not a witch hunt.
> >>> --
> >>> Christopher
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
> > http://polygene.apache.org <http://zest.apache.org> - New Energy for
> Java
>
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