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From ARIJIT DAS <arijit.mcse...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Profile photos and ASF values
Date Wed, 01 Feb 2017 07:39:52 GMT
that's right ...can anyone please tell me how to get @apache.org domain
email id? I also want to use apache email id for all activities related to
apache...I have @acm.org email id but it is only forwarding address can not
write and send mail from acm email.

On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Matthew Sacks <matthew@matthewsacks.com>
wrote:

> One day the swastika will be an ancient symbol as well.
>
>
> Let's stick to software?
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:29 PM Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Arijit,
> >
> >
> >
> > I agree that the symbol can have many meanings and that it is a modern
> >
> > tragedy that symbols with good meanings have been used for evil.
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't think it implies that any kind of heritage or culture has to be
> >
> > lost here.
> >
> >
> >
> > I would suggest that you consider people who see your emails without your
> >
> > explanations. There is thus a significant likelihood of unfortunate
> >
> > misunderstanding without your intent.
> >
> >
> >
> > The situation would be the same if a greeting that includes a blessing in
> >
> > one language is an insult in another, second, language. Is it
> pragmatically
> >
> > a good idea to continue to use the greeting if you are meeting with many
> >
> > speakers of the second language? You could argue you mean no harm and you
> >
> > can argue that the literal meaning of what you say in the language you
> >
> > using is beneficent, but you cannot argue that many people will
> >
> > misunderstand you and be offended. If that is not your intent, you have
> >
> > failed to communicate well.
> >
> >
> >
> > So it is with symbols that have different meanings in the culture (or
> >
> > cultures) you are communicating with. People will misunderstand you. If
> >
> > your intent is for them to understand you, then you will not succeed as
> >
> > well as you might.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 10:13 PM, ARIJIT DAS <arijit.mcse.ju@gmail.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > >  Please note Swastika is an ancient symbol of Hindus in India...Hitler
> > used
> >
> > > it no way implies that the symbol is improper...If you go through our
> > Vedas
> >
> > > and other mythologies you will find it symbolizes the knowledge and
> >
> > > power...and still today danish air force also uses this symbol.India
> has
> >
> > > one of the richest culture and heritage in the world.Many people has
> used
> >
> > > manything of our culture and heritage in many ways for many purpose
> some
> >
> > > are good some are bad.Why will we give up something which symbolizes
> >
> > > actually good in our culture? World leaders should learn the lesson
> from
> >
> > > WW2 from Hiroshima Nagasaki from adverse effects of colonization from
> >
> > > exploitation of poor.Mere opposing a symbol will add any value to
> > mankind?
> >
> > >
> >
> > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 10:30 AM, P. Taylor Goetz <ptgoetz@gmail.com>
> >
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > +1 for Ted's approach.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > I'm young in terms of ASF years, but I've found it to be very
> > apolitical.
> >
> > > > Recently it's actually been a refreshing departure from what seems
> like
> >
> > > an
> >
> > > > avalanche. It seems most people here seem to check their personal
> > beliefs
> >
> > > > at the door.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > My guess is that it is a case of innocence, but a follow up with
> >
> > > > information about cultural sensitivities seems prudent.
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > -Taylor
> >
> > > >
> >
> > > > > On Jan 31, 2017, at 7:14 PM, Niclas Hedhman <niclas@hedhman.org>
> >
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > As Ted pointed out, it is an ancient symbol found in most Far East
> >
> > > > > mythology and the Hindu religion. "Out here" you will find it quite
> >
> > > > often,
> >
> > > > > on shops, temples and business cards. It doesn't "carry weight"
> > unless
> >
> > > it
> >
> > > > > comes in black on white, with the Nazi proportions of widths. The
> > Nazi
> >
> > > > one
> >
> > > > > was also at an angle.
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > We all know that in this instance, there is no malignant intent,
> and
> >
> > > > should
> >
> > > > > not require any action.
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > And we have not had any case of "red and black" and "something
> needs
> > to
> >
> > > > be
> >
> > > > > said" as far as I know.
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > But the 'solution' is relatively simple; ASF is a non-political
> >
> > > > > organization, and expression of political views (such as showing
> >
> > > > political
> >
> > > > > allegiance, berating political figures, commenting on political
> >
> > > activity,
> >
> > > > > and so on) is not acceptable, regardless if that is a hate
> > organization
> >
> > > > > like the Nazis or more moderate political statements that many may
> >
> > > agree
> >
> > > > > with, say recent elections in the world or outbreaks of war. We
> > should
> >
> > > > not
> >
> > > > > be involved, I think we are even obliged by Law to not be involved.
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > Cheers
> >
> > > > > Niclas
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > >> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 7:58 AM, Andrew Palumbo <
> ap.dev@outlook.com>
> >
> > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > >>
> >
> > > > >> I am pretty new around here and don't know if this is a more
> private
> >
> > > > room
> >
> > > > >> for ASF members .. but my .02:  of it is in red and black, then
> >
> > > > something
> >
> > > > >> needs to be said.
> >
> > > > >>
> >
> > > > >>
> >
> > > > >>
> >
> > > > >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
> >
> > > > >>
> >
> > > > >>
> >
> > > > >> -------- Original message --------
> >
> > > > >> From: Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com>
> >
> > > > >> Date: 01/31/2017 3:50 PM (GMT-08:00)
> >
> > > > >> To: dev@community.apache.org
> >
> > > > >> Subject: Re: Profile photos and ASF values
> >
> > > > >>
> >
> > > > >> Yeah... I twitched when I saw that.
> >
> > > > >>
> >
> > > > >> My suspicion is that this is being used in the ancient, pre-nazi
> >
> > > sense.
> >
> > > > >>
> >
> > > > >> It is hard to believe that somebody is ignorant of the impact
it
> > must
> >
> > > > have
> >
> > > > >> on some readers.
> >
> > > > >>
> >
> > > > >>
> >
> > > > >>
> >
> > > > >>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:47 PM, Christopher <
> ctubbsii@apache.org>
> >
> > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > >>>
> >
> > > > >>> Hi all,
> >
> > > > >>>
> >
> > > > >>> It is surprising to me that a certain individual participant
in
> ASF
> >
> > > > >> forums
> >
> > > > >>> seems to be using a swastika as their Google profile photo.
The
> >
> > > impact
> >
> > > > of
> >
> > > > >>> this is that ASF users which use GMail to interact with the
> mailing
> >
> > > > >> lists,
> >
> > > > >>> are presented with this swastika whenever reading or interacting
> > with
> >
> > > > ASF
> >
> > > > >>> forums using GMail.
> >
> > > > >>>
> >
> > > > >>> To be clear, this symbol can have alternate meanings, and
it may
> > not
> >
> > > be
> >
> > > > >>> intentionally being used as Nazi symbol. Additionally, even
if
> this
> >
> > > > >>> individual holds to certain ideologies which may be antithetical
> to
> >
> > > ASF
> >
> > > > >>> community inclusive values, they may act entirely professional
> and
> > in
> >
> > > > >>> accordance with ASF code of conduct on Apache forums. So,
I don't
> >
> > > want
> >
> > > > to
> >
> > > > >>> imply that the profile photo is indicative of their ASF
> >
> > > interactions...
> >
> > > > >> it
> >
> > > > >>> may be an entirely separate thing.
> >
> > > > >>>
> >
> > > > >>> My main inquiry here is to question whether or not there
is a
> >
> > > concern,
> >
> > > > >>> because the use of such profile photos may actually have
> > consequences
> >
> > > > of
> >
> > > > >>> deterring potential new committers, because Apache may be
> indicted
> > by
> >
> > > > >>> association.
> >
> > > > >>>
> >
> > > > >>> Is there something we wish to do about this? Is it a non-issue?
I
> >
> > > > really
> >
> > > > >>> don't know. All I know, is my gut tells me that I'm bothered
> when I
> >
> > > see
> >
> > > > >> it
> >
> > > > >>> (I use GMail). But, I don't want to overreact, or start a
witch
> > hunt.
> >
> > > > I'm
> >
> > > > >>> genuinely curious if this is something we want to address
at all.
> >
> > > > >>>
> >
> > > > >>> If the profile photo is used on ASF infrastructure (JIRA,
> > affiliated
> >
> > > > as a
> >
> > > > >>> member of the Apache org on GitHub, etc.), then I think we
> probably
> >
> > > do
> >
> > > > >> want
> >
> > > > >>> to address it in the Code of Conduct. However, unrelated
services
> >
> > > like
> >
> > > > >>> Google profile photos... that may not be something we want
to
> >
> > > address,
> >
> > > > >>> because the web mail client users use is not related to ASF
> > services
> >
> > > > >> (even
> >
> > > > >>> if it were know for user that it impacted ASF community by
> > deterring
> >
> > > > >>> potential new community members).
> >
> > > > >>>
> >
> > > > >>> In any case, I don't raise this issue to demean the individual
> > whose
> >
> > > > >>> profile photo came to my attention... this is not an attack
on
> > them.
> >
> > > > >> Again,
> >
> > > > >>> this is not a witch hunt.
> >
> > > > >>> --
> >
> > > > >>> Christopher
> >
> > > > >>>
> >
> > > > >>
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > >
> >
> > > > > --
> >
> > > > > Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
> >
> > > > > http://polygene.apache.org <http://zest.apache.org> - New Energy
> for
> >
> > > > Java
> >
> > > >
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