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From Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Profile photos and ASF values
Date Wed, 01 Feb 2017 00:10:29 GMT
It's not in red and black and the poster has a name which makes the
Hindu/Jain/Buddhist sense more likely.

I sent a private note with a question asking if they know the unfortunate
associations that their readers are likely to have. I think that just
talking quietly about these issues is the best choice (usually).





On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Andrew Palumbo <ap.dev@outlook.com> wrote:

> I am pretty new around here and don't know if this is a more private room
> for ASF members .. but my .02:  of it is in red and black, then something
> needs to be said.
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com>
> Date: 01/31/2017 3:50 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: dev@community.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Profile photos and ASF values
>
> Yeah... I twitched when I saw that.
>
> My suspicion is that this is being used in the ancient, pre-nazi sense.
>
> It is hard to believe that somebody is ignorant of the impact it must have
> on some readers.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:47 PM, Christopher <ctubbsii@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > It is surprising to me that a certain individual participant in ASF
> forums
> > seems to be using a swastika as their Google profile photo. The impact of
> > this is that ASF users which use GMail to interact with the mailing
> lists,
> > are presented with this swastika whenever reading or interacting with ASF
> > forums using GMail.
> >
> > To be clear, this symbol can have alternate meanings, and it may not be
> > intentionally being used as Nazi symbol. Additionally, even if this
> > individual holds to certain ideologies which may be antithetical to ASF
> > community inclusive values, they may act entirely professional and in
> > accordance with ASF code of conduct on Apache forums. So, I don't want to
> > imply that the profile photo is indicative of their ASF interactions...
> it
> > may be an entirely separate thing.
> >
> > My main inquiry here is to question whether or not there is a concern,
> > because the use of such profile photos may actually have consequences of
> > deterring potential new committers, because Apache may be indicted by
> > association.
> >
> > Is there something we wish to do about this? Is it a non-issue? I really
> > don't know. All I know, is my gut tells me that I'm bothered when I see
> it
> > (I use GMail). But, I don't want to overreact, or start a witch hunt. I'm
> > genuinely curious if this is something we want to address at all.
> >
> > If the profile photo is used on ASF infrastructure (JIRA, affiliated as a
> > member of the Apache org on GitHub, etc.), then I think we probably do
> want
> > to address it in the Code of Conduct. However, unrelated services like
> > Google profile photos... that may not be something we want to address,
> > because the web mail client users use is not related to ASF services
> (even
> > if it were know for user that it impacted ASF community by deterring
> > potential new community members).
> >
> > In any case, I don't raise this issue to demean the individual whose
> > profile photo came to my attention... this is not an attack on them.
> Again,
> > this is not a witch hunt.
> > --
> > Christopher
> >
>

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