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From Andrew Palumbo <ap....@outlook.com>
Subject RE: Profile photos and ASF values
Date Tue, 31 Jan 2017 23:58:30 GMT
I am pretty new around here and don't know if this is a more private room for ASF members ..
but my .02:  of it is in red and black, then something needs to be said.



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-------- Original message --------
From: Ted Dunning <ted.dunning@gmail.com>
Date: 01/31/2017 3:50 PM (GMT-08:00)
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Re: Profile photos and ASF values

Yeah... I twitched when I saw that.

My suspicion is that this is being used in the ancient, pre-nazi sense.

It is hard to believe that somebody is ignorant of the impact it must have
on some readers.



On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:47 PM, Christopher <ctubbsii@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> It is surprising to me that a certain individual participant in ASF forums
> seems to be using a swastika as their Google profile photo. The impact of
> this is that ASF users which use GMail to interact with the mailing lists,
> are presented with this swastika whenever reading or interacting with ASF
> forums using GMail.
>
> To be clear, this symbol can have alternate meanings, and it may not be
> intentionally being used as Nazi symbol. Additionally, even if this
> individual holds to certain ideologies which may be antithetical to ASF
> community inclusive values, they may act entirely professional and in
> accordance with ASF code of conduct on Apache forums. So, I don't want to
> imply that the profile photo is indicative of their ASF interactions... it
> may be an entirely separate thing.
>
> My main inquiry here is to question whether or not there is a concern,
> because the use of such profile photos may actually have consequences of
> deterring potential new committers, because Apache may be indicted by
> association.
>
> Is there something we wish to do about this? Is it a non-issue? I really
> don't know. All I know, is my gut tells me that I'm bothered when I see it
> (I use GMail). But, I don't want to overreact, or start a witch hunt. I'm
> genuinely curious if this is something we want to address at all.
>
> If the profile photo is used on ASF infrastructure (JIRA, affiliated as a
> member of the Apache org on GitHub, etc.), then I think we probably do want
> to address it in the Code of Conduct. However, unrelated services like
> Google profile photos... that may not be something we want to address,
> because the web mail client users use is not related to ASF services (even
> if it were know for user that it impacted ASF community by deterring
> potential new community members).
>
> In any case, I don't raise this issue to demean the individual whose
> profile photo came to my attention... this is not an attack on them. Again,
> this is not a witch hunt.
> --
> Christopher
>

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