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From Matthew Sacks <matt...@matthewsacks.com>
Subject Re: Working Ecosystems at ASF
Date Thu, 19 Jan 2017 03:27:14 GMT
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On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 6:48 PM Hadrian Zbarcea <hzbarcea@gmail.com> wrote:

> David, your answer gets 5 stars from me.
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> On the funding piece we didn't even try because we don't want to go
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> there. It's not really a cause, more like an effect.
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> Cheers,
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> Hadrian
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> On 01/18/2017 06:01 PM, David Nalley wrote:
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> > On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Raphael Bircher
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> > <rbircherapache@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >> Hi Bertrand
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> >>
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> >> Am .01.2017, 15:03 Uhr, schrieb Bertrand Delacretaz
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> >> <bdelacretaz@apache.org>:
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> >>
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> >>> Hi Raphael,
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> >>>
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> >>> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Raphael Bircher
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> >>> <rbircherapache@gmail.com> wrote:
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> >>>>
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> >>>> ...Has anybody ever used crowd funding to cover development costs?...
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> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>> I know of one documented case,
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> >>> http://community.apache.org/committers/funding-disclaimer.html but I
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> >>> don't have info on how well it went.
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> >>>
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> >>> The disclaimer was important to properly dissociate such initiatives
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> >>> form the ASF, which does not fund software development.
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> >>
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> >>
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> >> Thanks for the link. This rise a question, i got never a real answer
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> >> Why ASF dosen't found Developers?. Some people say, because to
> non-profit
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> >> status. Others say, this are our rules. But what are the reasons
> behind. It
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> >> would be nice, if someone take the time to explain this.
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> >>
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> >
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> > Resources and positions are always limited.
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> > Hiring a developer and deciding what they are going to work on means
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> > you are essentially picking what is important to the Foundation. The
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> > ASF has long said that it is happy to pick runners not winners. That
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> > means that we are happy for projects, even projects that compete with
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> > each other, to call the ASF home. We hope they are all successful, but
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> > we are essentially letting the community decide where to allocate its
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> > time. When you pay people, you have to decide what they are going to
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> > work on, and even what specific aspects of that project that they are
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> > going to work on. This means someone who controls the payroll can
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> > decide which of two competing projects gets more resources, and
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> > potentially even effect the direction that they are headed in
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> > technically.
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> > It also has the side effect of creating a division between the
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> > developers paid by the ASF and those who aren't. (Read that as the
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> > privileged developers, and the the unprivileged developers.) Today,
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> > everyone (in the eyes of the ASF) is on equal footing because no
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> > developer is employed by the ASF to work on code at the ASF.
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> > Finally - we frankly don't have the money to do so.
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> > --David
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