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From: Niclas Hedhman <niclas@hedhman.org>
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 12:39:14 +0800
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Subject: Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey
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Shawn,
maybe, just maybe, the twitter-activists will spot this and descend on the
ASF with vengeance, realizing that the Apache License (and all software
that uses it) is sexist, racist and bigoted, since it doesn't prevent
sexists, racists and other haters from using our software. And WE, the
ASF,  do nothing about that. WE are on the side of the haters. This is the
logic that is applied elsewhere.
That is one of the fears _I_ have about digging in this. It is like
searching for patents...

And YES, I am on the side of free usage of the software we produce, even by
people I am diametrically opposed to. I think it is not ASF's mission to
determine that line in the sand. All this is a political issue, disguised
with a "it is good for us" label, and many here look at the label and go
"Yeah, I favor that."

I hope I am wrong about ASF ending up being a target by the outside SJW
activists, that we are too small to bother with. But let it be known, it
has now been a predicted possibility... so don't be shocked if it happens.

Sharan,
About the numbers;
1. Most of the registered committers have been inactive for years, many
have never been active in the past and was part of a bulk inclusion of
committers via a podling coming in.

2. Are there similar surveys available for say Linux Kernel, Debian or
GNU/FSF (i.e. other low-visibility, highly technical FOSS projects) ??

3. The survey was targeted at committers. Shouldn't we also find out who
"uses" our software. After all, by-and-large, we attract our committers
from our users ("who has an itch to scratch"). That is a primary point of
"conversion" and if the selection pool is not much different from the stats
that you have now collected... (yes, speculation) ... does that mean we are
done? It is also much harder to reach that group.

4. When will the scrubbed raw data be available for the community?


Cheers
Niclas


On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Shawn McKinney <smckinney@symas.com>
wrote:

>
> > On Dec 19, 2016, at 8:31 PM, Peter West <pbw@pbw.id.au> wrote:
> >
> > The ASF has free software, freely produced by anyone who wants to put
> his or her hand up.  Talk about =E2=80=9Cdiversity=E2=80=9D is deeply div=
isive, and all of
> the BS that accompanies it is the antithesis of freedom.  It is the impul=
se
> of petty totalitarians who are determined to impose their views on others=
,
> and to marginalise and denigrate and demonise those who think=E2=80=A6div=
ersely.
> Need I mention Brendan Eich here?
> >
> > So keep this stuff out of the ASF, please.  You are free to pursue
> whatever other (non-software) obsessions you like in your own time, and
> those big software houses with their diversity departments will accomodat=
e
> you at work.
>
> Confused by this viewpoint.  Here we have a set of statistics (thanks
> Sharon) that provides insight into the types of people that participate.
> If that info can then be put into use and expands our committer base beyo=
nd
> the typical into the atypical we would then produce more/better software.
> What=E2=80=99s wrong with that?  I see only practical usages from this bu=
t maybe
> I=E2=80=99m just being naive?
>
> Shawn
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