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From: Pierre Smits <pierre.smits@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 18:01:15 +0100
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Subject: Re: Results: ASF Committer Diversity Survey
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My apologies for leaving out:

[1]
https://s3.amazonaws.com/files-dist/AnnualReports/ASFAnnualReport-FY2015-2016FINAL.pdf

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

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On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Pierre Smits <pierre.smits@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I, for one, thank Sharan for the itch she scratched, and compliment her on
> the result.
>
> Many talk politics (sharing their viewpoint) here in this thread, and
> elsewhere in this community. If that is the itch that needs to be
> scratched, then that is fine by me too...
>
> But in the near future (when all has been digested) we must move on. The
> first survey is a good start. But it should not be the end. How can we
> improve community development when we don't measure regularly.  Coming to
> the data collected has been (to me, sharing my viewpoint, divulging my
> politics) a feel good exercise: discussions in public up front (to get
> buy-in, to please the majority, the ones regarded as important, etc.)
> followed by defending the why afterwards (and elsewhere).
>
> So, to cut to the chase: who of the officers the ASF will sponsor the
> next? Who will step up and say: 'I will have the executors back and you
> (the executor) can concentrate on the tasks at hand without being
> distracted'?
>
> Annually the ASF put in a lot of effort to provide the greater community
> (3rd parties, sponsors, friends, however you want to call them) with an
> Annual Report [1]. This kind of repeated activity belongs in the set of
> means to provide insights in the Community (Development) section.'
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
> ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>
> OFBiz based solutions & services
>
> OFBiz Extensions Marketplace
> http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/
>
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 5:11 PM, Rich Bowen <rbowen@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 12/19/2016 08:36 AM, Sharan F wrote:
>> > Hello Everyone
>> >
>> > A big thank you to everyone that has helped or participated in getting
>> > the Committer Diversity Survey out, and also to all the committers that
>> > responded to the survey. It has been really good to be able to collect
>> > this information and see what it tells us about our committer base.
>> >
>> > I've loaded the main data and graphs from the survey onto the Community
>> > Development wiki (see link below)
>> >
>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/ASF+Commi
>> tter+Diversity+Survey+-+2016
>> >
>> >
>> > In total we received 765 responses (out of a 5861 committer base at the
>> > time the survey was run) so around a 13% response rate.
>>
>> It would be useful to pursue Niclas' assertion that most of our
>> registered committers are inactive. I'd think that if we define
>> "inactive" in some measurable way, we could determine some actual
>> numbers around that.
>>
>> Either way, though, given how anti-survey we have been in the past, 13%
>> actually sounds like a pretty good response rate to me.
>>
>> > We also got 111 feedback comments of which 29 did not give their
>> > permission to share or from quote their comments.
>> >
>> > I've categorised all the comments into various themes / topics with the
>> > main ones as follows:
>> >
>> > 1. Suggestions for improvements within the ASF
>>
>> I look forward to seeing these. I hope that we have some things in there
>> that are actionable, and that we can find volunteers to participate in.
>>
>> Most of the conversations that I've had with people that have led
>> diversity efforts in other open source communities answer "what worked?"
>> with "lots and lots of hard work, for a really long time."
>>
>> So, thanks so much for getting this process started again. It's long
>> overdue, and we appreciate your hard work here.
>>
>>
>> > 2. Suggestions for improvements to the survey (or any future ones)
>> > 3. Thanks / positive feedback about the ASF and/or survey
>> > 4. Feedback and ideas around diversity
>> >
>> > Next steps will be:
>> >
>> >  * Continue to analyse the information and identify any potential
>> >    Community Development related actions
>> >  * Start discussion threads on the various themes and topics raised to
>> >    see if they will result in additional actions
>> >  * Discuss feedback and diversity ideas and if necessary, integrate
>> >    into diversity strategy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
>> http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
>>
>>
>

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