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From Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacre...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Does GSoC help develop communities?
Date Mon, 05 Dec 2016 13:59:59 GMT
Hi,

On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 2:30 PM, Daniel Gruno <humbedooh@apache.org> wrote:
> ...The task of ComDev is developing community. If we don't have any data or
> interest in acquiring such to show that this is in fact helping towards
> that, then we should consider whether the current strategy is the right
> thing to focus on....

I disagree with the need for comdev to have a strategy.

At the technical level the ASF doesn't have a strategy, it just
provides space for its projects to exist and flourish.

I think comdev can operate in the same way, as a loose group of
volunteers who collectively help develop communities, without
necessarily having a global comdev strategy to follow.

Three examples:

1) A small group is running GSoC, which as Uli mentions doesn't cost
the ASF anything and actually brings some money in. GSoC clearly helps
our mission by helping a few community members join the ASF every
year. Exactly how many is not very important if volunteers agree to
run it.

2) Sharan and others have started work on diversity initiatives -
another subset of folks sharing common interests that match the
overall comdev mission.

3) I led a small group to develop our maturity model, I think it's a
very useful tool. I think we made just one change to it in 2016, it's
stable but useful and maintained. Others don't care about that or
didn't have time to help - no problem.

You could argue that these things are disjoint but they are all small
steps that help towards our overall mission. We don't need much
coordination between them, IMO just making sure the comdev PMC agrees
with these things happening, and doing out best to unify their
communications channels to create synergies is good enough.

Comdev can just provide a space for volunteers to help develop
communities, that's good enough for me. If others want more structured
activities feel free to do them but don't expect all PMC members to
necessarily join or to feel bad if they don't.

-Bertrand

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