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From William A Rowe Jr <>
Subject Re: Diversity: How many disabled people are at Apache
Date Wed, 14 Dec 2016 08:06:02 GMT
On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 7:59 PM, Niclas Hedhman <> wrote:

> Now, this is what I know as "equality in opportunity" and is why I am
> somewhat skeptical to efforts focused on increasing so called diversity for
> the sake of diversity, also known as "equality in outcome". IMHO, a highly
> politicized topic, something that ASF traditionally has stayed away from,
> except when it comes to "identity politics", because everyone is scared of
> being classified in the negative.

Understanding your skepticism, is there a reason for you to project that
into many other individuals' interests and concerns? It seems like a sort
or rude way to inject your politics into a sincere inquiry. For that matter,
although I hadn't known of individuals at the ASF (I might know them, but
am unaware) - I've known many physically disabled computer scientists
who find some amazing adaptive technologies to let them do what they
want to do, and in our thousands of committers, already trust that there
are dozens in our lot who are doing fine. [Edit to add, you and I are very
familiar with one specific individual within the membership, but I'm not
going to call that individual out unless they want to dive into this
discussion. And I'm still sure there are others who haven't shared.]

> [1] In Apache Zest, we had a professional, classical musician creating an
> example project, and in that gave a lot of useful feedback. When we found
> out that he never worked in software, we were all quite surprised, as his
> work was of remarkably high caliber. I think this is rather common...

We had an an airline pilot. Collectively, we come from very diverse
educations, career paths, genders and castes. I found your reply in defense
of refusing to let others ponder such questions you don't want to ponder
really insulting. Participate in such studies, or don't. Study the results,
or don't. The agenda is inclusion, and it seems that you are happy to have
many people included in your projects. If that is the case, the dismissive
tone of your posts, but particularly reacting to specific posts like this,
simply impolite.



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