community-dev mailing list archives

Site index · List index
Message view « Date » · « Thread »
Top « Date » · « Thread »
From Rich Bowen <>
Subject Re: Diversity: How many disabled people are at Apache
Date Wed, 14 Dec 2016 14:01:50 GMT

On 12/13/2016 08:59 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> Now, this is what I know as "equality in opportunity" and is why I am
> somewhat skeptical to efforts focused on increasing so called diversity for
> the sake of diversity, also known as "equality in outcome".

Hmm. If you believe that we are pursuing diversity FOR THE SAKE OF
DIVERSITY, you have entirely missed the point. Which is odd, given how
many times we've had this conversation, and how many times you've
participated in the conversation.

Diversity is a very selfish goal - in the sense that we know that
greater diversity results in stronger communities, more range of ideas
to go into the code, more candidates for committership, and better
resulting products. A diverse community has access to a wider pool of
contributors. That's just math.

To say that we want diversity just so that we can check a box, or so
that we can wave a flag, just seems to willfully ignore all of the
conversation that's happened around this topic. We want greater
diversity because it results in better ideas in the code.

If there are people who want diversity for the sake of diversity, as you
say, I haven't met any of them - at least, not at Apache. I don't deny
that they exist - I have met a lot of them "in the wild", but I don't
see anything like that happening here at the ASF.

Rich Bowen - - @rbowen - @apachecon

View raw message