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From Joan Touzet <>
Subject Re: Diversity: How many disabled people are at Apache
Date Wed, 14 Dec 2016 20:21:58 GMT
Rich Bowen said:
> On 12/13/2016 08:59 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> > Now, this is what I know as "equality in opportunity" and is why I
> > am
> > somewhat skeptical to efforts focused on increasing so called
> > diversity for
> > the sake of diversity, also known as "equality in outcome".
> Diversity is a very selfish goal - in the sense that we know that
> greater diversity results in stronger communities, more range of
> ideas
> to go into the code, more candidates for committership, and better
> resulting products. A diverse community has access to a wider pool of
> contributors. That's just math.
> To say that we want diversity just so that we can check a box, or so
> that we can wave a flag, just seems to willfully ignore all of the
> conversation that's happened around this topic. We want greater
> diversity because it results in better ideas in the code.

Niclas Hedhman then went on to say:
> I know that diversity is sold as self-interest and that more diverse
> communities are (claimed to be, but I have not found any such reference to
> studies in software, but I can grant that) creating better products.

It took me five minutes to find a bunch of peer-reviewed papers
concluding just that. Please don't strawman this particular point again.'_Performance

  There's an entire peer-reviewed journal:
  plus the well-known:

I kindly request that you stop posting your objections to this list.
We get that you don't want anything to do with diversity initiatives.
Let those who are interested in it get on with it. All you are doing
is pouring water on other people's motivational fires. It is measurably
*against* the ASF's best interest to do so.

Your responsibility, as an ASF Member, is to welcome people of all walks
of life to the projects in which you are involved and help them become
valuable contributors. To that end, you might appreciate this article:


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