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From: Matthew Sacks <matthew@matthewsacks.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2016 15:24:34 -0800
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Subject: Re: Encouraging Diversity - Update 6
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Al i on the right mailing list?
This is Dev, right?

On Tuesday, November 15, 2016, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 12:24 PM, Tim Williams <williamstw@gmail.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Shane Curcuru <asf@shanecurcuru.org
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >> Sam Ruby wrote on 11/15/16 3:41 PM:
> >>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Niclas Hedhman <niclas@hedhman.org
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >> ...
> >>> First, if you are not convinced, don't participate. All we ask is that
> >>> you don't actively prevent others from doing so.  Go Sharan and
> >>> others!
> >> ...
> >>
> >> +1.
> >>
> >> We have at least three ComDev PMC members who are interested in doing
> >> this work, so I'm glad to see it move forward.  General complaints don't
> >> help, and often harm.  Specific patches or changes with consensus behind
> >> them that help the work move forward would be appreciated.
> >
> > Taking yours and Sam's "then don't participate"-style responses, one
> > might conclude that diversity is desirable only when folks are of like
> > mind, which kinda defeats the point.
>
> I don't care for that characterization of my point of view.  I believe
> that diversity is something we should seek out, it makes us stronger
> and more resilient.
>
> I merely acknowledge that not everybody shares my point of view on this
> subject.
>
> > The original feedback wasn't general complaints, it was a specific
> > question:  "what does feel safe mean?"  It's a reasonable question,
> > even if there was some over-use of hyperbole.  He ended with a
> > paragraph like, "now, if this is what you mean...I'm fine with it"  On
> > any other topic, I feel like most folks around here would assume
> > positive intent and try to understand the perspective.
>
> I also have had experience with not feeling "safe" here.  It was not a
> matter of a physical threat, but it was a very credible threat by an
> individual who was more than capable of following through.  I'm not
> willing to share more on a publicly archived list.  Those who are ASF
> members can find out more by going to the following link:
> https://s.apache.org/R5sk; for those who are impatient, scroll down to
> the P.S..
>
> I dare anybody who can stomach reading that to say "I might pity you
> for being too sensitive, but...".
>
> > Thanks,
> > --tim
>
> - Sam Ruby
>
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