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From Noah Slater <nsla...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Encouraging Diversity - Update 6
Date Mon, 14 Nov 2016 23:12:15 GMT
I took a leave of absence from the ASF for over a year (my previous email
on this thread was one of my first since returning) precisely because the
treatment I got on these mailing lists was so deleterious for my mental
health that I had to take a break, for my safety.

Positioning *war* as the canonical example of un-safety is a poor one.
There are many forms of safety. Feeling like a community is a good place
for you to inhabit, feeling like it wont harm you (emotionally, mentally,
or otherwise) is well within the remit of safety that we, as a
community-focused org, should be concerned about.


On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 at 10:32 Mark Thomas <markt@apache.org> wrote:

> On 14/11/2016 00:52, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 4:58 AM, Sharan Foga <sharan@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> *General Diversity Approach and Strategy*
> >> I haven't had much time to update this on the wiki but once the
> committer
> >> survey is complete I will be able to perhaps tailor it based on the
> results.
> >>
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/
> >> Diversity+Strategy+Ideas
> >>
> >> I'm still interested in getting feedback and ideas from anyone about
> ways
> >> to develop the strategy and actions we can take to help encourage
> diversity.
>
> <snip/>
>
> > So; What does "feel safe" mean?
> > In this context, it must be a first world non-problem. Because I doubt
> that
> > you think ASF committers will be hit by drone strikes if their location
> is
> > known, that an unfortunate email will cause terrorist attacks or
> indirectly
> > causing thermo-nuclear war. "Safe" means that there is no imminent danger
> > to our lives and physical health. Maslow's somewhat revised hierarchy
> also
> > includes "financial security" as it quite directly affects our survival.
> > "Safe" doesn't encompass "not feeling happy", "I was offended" and other
> > non-sense.
> > If you against all odds are talking about real safety; I can't imagine
> that
> > anyone became more unsafe after joining ASF communities. Right?
>
> Wrong. There are examples of people being threatened and/or assaulted
> directly as a result of their participation in an ASF community. I'm one
> of them.
>
> I whole-heartedly support the work that Sharan is doing this area. I am
> of the view that the phrase "feel safe" is an critical element of the
> desired outcomes and should remain.
>
> Mark
>
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