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From Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>
Subject Re: Encouraging Diversity - Update 6
Date Tue, 15 Nov 2016 20:54:27 GMT
On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 12:24 PM, Tim Williams <williamstw@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Shane Curcuru <asf@shanecurcuru.org> wrote:
>> Sam Ruby wrote on 11/15/16 3:41 PM:
>>> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 9:11 AM, Niclas Hedhman <niclas@hedhman.org> wrote:
>> ...
>>> First, if you are not convinced, don't participate. All we ask is that
>>> you don't actively prevent others from doing so.  Go Sharan and
>>> others!
>> ...
>>
>> +1.
>>
>> We have at least three ComDev PMC members who are interested in doing
>> this work, so I'm glad to see it move forward.  General complaints don't
>> help, and often harm.  Specific patches or changes with consensus behind
>> them that help the work move forward would be appreciated.
>
> Taking yours and Sam's "then don't participate"-style responses, one
> might conclude that diversity is desirable only when folks are of like
> mind, which kinda defeats the point.

I don't care for that characterization of my point of view.  I believe
that diversity is something we should seek out, it makes us stronger
and more resilient.

I merely acknowledge that not everybody shares my point of view on this subject.

> The original feedback wasn't general complaints, it was a specific
> question:  "what does feel safe mean?"  It's a reasonable question,
> even if there was some over-use of hyperbole.  He ended with a
> paragraph like, "now, if this is what you mean...I'm fine with it"  On
> any other topic, I feel like most folks around here would assume
> positive intent and try to understand the perspective.

I also have had experience with not feeling "safe" here.  It was not a
matter of a physical threat, but it was a very credible threat by an
individual who was more than capable of following through.  I'm not
willing to share more on a publicly archived list.  Those who are ASF
members can find out more by going to the following link:
https://s.apache.org/R5sk; for those who are impatient, scroll down to
the P.S..

I dare anybody who can stomach reading that to say "I might pity you
for being too sensitive, but...".

> Thanks,
> --tim

- Sam Ruby

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