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From Niclas Hedhman <>
Subject Re: Encouraging Diversity - Update 6
Date Mon, 14 Nov 2016 00:52:00 GMT
On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 4:58 AM, Sharan Foga <> wrote:

> *General Diversity Approach and Strategy*
> I haven't had much time to update this on the wiki but once the committer
> survey is complete I will be able to perhaps tailor it based on the results.
> Diversity+Strategy+Ideas
> I'm still interested in getting feedback and ideas from anyone about ways
> to develop the strategy and actions we can take to help encourage diversity.

You should probably know by now that I will always have "negative feedback"
(I am from electronics background... ;-) ) and since you are asking for it.

IMVHO, you have well-intended motivations for doing this, but I only see
"social justice movement" rhetoric and lack of fully thinking things

Instead of tearing everything down, I will criticize a single thing until
that is solved, before moving on to the next on the list (or simply stop).

So; What does "feel safe" mean?
In this context, it must be a first world non-problem. Because I doubt that
you think ASF committers will be hit by drone strikes if their location is
known, that an unfortunate email will cause terrorist attacks or indirectly
causing thermo-nuclear war. "Safe" means that there is no imminent danger
to our lives and physical health. Maslow's somewhat revised hierarchy also
includes "financial security" as it quite directly affects our survival.
"Safe" doesn't encompass "not feeling happy", "I was offended" and other
If you against all odds are talking about real safety; I can't imagine that
anyone became more unsafe after joining ASF communities. Right?

Since I am sure you will defend the "not being offended" case, I take
offense that you think this is an issue. THERE! You have an unsolvable
situation, and no one gives anyone the right to decide where the "line of
offense" is, or being "arbitrator of happiness".
Therefore; "Feelings" are highly subjective, and doesn't belong on "code of
conduct" or similar lists of goals.

Also, ASF has a long history of "reactive behavior" rather than
prescriptive speculation. So, typically we first show what the problem is,
before discussing a solution. Bring actual examples and show that these are
"endorsed" by the overall consensus, and argue why it is not acceptable.
That approach will be respected by highly critical people like myself.

If you formulate it as; "should avoid to humiliate other people" or "try to
express yourself in a friendly and inclusive language" as a guide, then I
have no problem with that. Noah's suggestion of a culture of "Yes, and..."
and "forgiveness" are direct, easily agreeable and doesn't need
"enforcement" only "encouragement" and "highlighted" if breached.
But when the undertone is "enforce... others feeling not happy..." and
similar authoritarian language, then you have to wait until we old folks
(with memories of Soviet Union and Mao's China) have died off.

Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer - New Energy for Java

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