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From Niclas Hedhman <nic...@hedhman.org>
Subject Re: Encouraging Diversity - Update 6
Date Tue, 15 Nov 2016 14:11:21 GMT
Noah,
ASF has not gotten to where it is by generalizations and abstractions of
nonexistent issues. Whenever anyone brings up a hypothetical, be it in
Legal or Membership quorums, the response is that we deal with it when
there are actual usecases.
I am asking for examples, some type of record to consume to form myself an
opinion of whether anything new is needed. If such pragmatism hurts your
feelings, well... I might pity you for being too sensitive, but it is not
an argument and you are not convincing me of anything.


Cheers
Niclas

On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 7:12 AM, Noah Slater <nslater@apache.org> wrote:

> I took a leave of absence from the ASF for over a year (my previous email
> on this thread was one of my first since returning) precisely because the
> treatment I got on these mailing lists was so deleterious for my mental
> health that I had to take a break, for my safety.
>
> Positioning *war* as the canonical example of un-safety is a poor one.
> There are many forms of safety. Feeling like a community is a good place
> for you to inhabit, feeling like it wont harm you (emotionally, mentally,
> or otherwise) is well within the remit of safety that we, as a
> community-focused org, should be concerned about.
>
>
> On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 at 10:32 Mark Thomas <markt@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > On 14/11/2016 00:52, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> > > On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 4:58 AM, Sharan Foga <sharan@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> *General Diversity Approach and Strategy*
> > >> I haven't had much time to update this on the wiki but once the
> > committer
> > >> survey is complete I will be able to perhaps tailor it based on the
> > results.
> > >>
> > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/COMDEV/
> > >> Diversity+Strategy+Ideas
> > >>
> > >> I'm still interested in getting feedback and ideas from anyone about
> > ways
> > >> to develop the strategy and actions we can take to help encourage
> > diversity.
> >
> > <snip/>
> >
> > > So; What does "feel safe" mean?
> > > In this context, it must be a first world non-problem. Because I doubt
> > that
> > > you think ASF committers will be hit by drone strikes if their location
> > is
> > > known, that an unfortunate email will cause terrorist attacks or
> > indirectly
> > > causing thermo-nuclear war. "Safe" means that there is no imminent
> danger
> > > to our lives and physical health. Maslow's somewhat revised hierarchy
> > also
> > > includes "financial security" as it quite directly affects our
> survival.
> > > "Safe" doesn't encompass "not feeling happy", "I was offended" and
> other
> > > non-sense.
> > > If you against all odds are talking about real safety; I can't imagine
> > that
> > > anyone became more unsafe after joining ASF communities. Right?
> >
> > Wrong. There are examples of people being threatened and/or assaulted
> > directly as a result of their participation in an ASF community. I'm one
> > of them.
> >
> > I whole-heartedly support the work that Sharan is doing this area. I am
> > of the view that the phrase "feel safe" is an critical element of the
> > desired outcomes and should remain.
> >
> > Mark
> >
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Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
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