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From Joseph Schaefer <>
Subject Re: Encouraging Diversity - Update 6
Date Mon, 14 Nov 2016 23:31:37 GMT
Again this is not the world we occupy.  There is no litmus test for who can join our lists
and participate.  Safety remains a priority that needs to be addressed- not for the majority,
but for those occasional cases where it can and does take place here.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 14, 2016, at 6:28 PM, Matthew Sacks <> wrote:
> Please forgive my ignorance on the matter, but isn't this a prestigious
> Open Source software Foundation?
> For such top engineers you think you would have less safety concerns.
> Perhaps this is the Linux foundation's influence on the ASF?
> Perhaps Schneier can comment on your seeming "Culture of Fear" if he even
> bothers with this list.
> -M
>> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Noah Slater <> wrote:
>> I took a leave of absence from the ASF for over a year (my previous email
>> on this thread was one of my first since returning) precisely because the
>> treatment I got on these mailing lists was so deleterious for my mental
>> health that I had to take a break, for my safety.
>> Positioning *war* as the canonical example of un-safety is a poor one.
>> There are many forms of safety. Feeling like a community is a good place
>> for you to inhabit, feeling like it wont harm you (emotionally, mentally,
>> or otherwise) is well within the remit of safety that we, as a
>> community-focused org, should be concerned about.
>>> On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 at 10:32 Mark Thomas <> wrote:
>>>> On 14/11/2016 00:52, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 4:58 AM, Sharan Foga <>
>>>>> *General Diversity Approach and Strategy*
>>>>> I haven't had much time to update this on the wiki but once the
>>> committer
>>>>> survey is complete I will be able to perhaps tailor it based on the
>>> results.
>>>>> Diversity+Strategy+Ideas
>>>>> I'm still interested in getting feedback and ideas from anyone about
>>> ways
>>>>> to develop the strategy and actions we can take to help encourage
>>> diversity.
>>> <snip/>
>>>> So; What does "feel safe" mean?
>>>> In this context, it must be a first world non-problem. Because I doubt
>>> that
>>>> you think ASF committers will be hit by drone strikes if their location
>>> is
>>>> known, that an unfortunate email will cause terrorist attacks or
>>> indirectly
>>>> causing thermo-nuclear war. "Safe" means that there is no imminent
>> danger
>>>> to our lives and physical health. Maslow's somewhat revised hierarchy
>>> also
>>>> includes "financial security" as it quite directly affects our
>> survival.
>>>> "Safe" doesn't encompass "not feeling happy", "I was offended" and
>> other
>>>> non-sense.
>>>> If you against all odds are talking about real safety; I can't imagine
>>> that
>>>> anyone became more unsafe after joining ASF communities. Right?
>>> Wrong. There are examples of people being threatened and/or assaulted
>>> directly as a result of their participation in an ASF community. I'm one
>>> of them.
>>> I whole-heartedly support the work that Sharan is doing this area. I am
>>> of the view that the phrase "feel safe" is an critical element of the
>>> desired outcomes and should remain.
>>> Mark
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