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From Roman Shaposhnik <>
Subject Re: ombudsman@ (was Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?)
Date Sat, 28 May 2016 04:53:56 GMT
On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 8:00 PM, Joe Schaefer <> wrote:
> To a native English reader, Shane's commentary is perfectly aligned with
> Marvin's patch.

Yes. Which is why I wrote: "Marvin, at this point what I'm about to
ask of you is
grossly unfair (since your proposal, apparently doesn't really make
anything worse)
but would you consider the above statement by Shane to be your course
of action?"

Marvin patch can definitely go ahead since it does NOT make the current
horrible situation any worse. It simply doesn't make it any better.
Hence +0 on it.

That said -- I still don't understand why we shouldn't follow the proposal that
Shane outlined.

If you're rushing to apply Marvin's patch -- fine -- go ahead. I'll
take care of Shane's
approach over the weekend and replace it then.

> There are absolutely no gaps in direction despite your
> fierce irrational opposition to having a pair of board members try to get
> something meaningful accomplished for the foundation.

Could you, please stop with posturing(*)? We had a discussion. That corrected
my understanding of what president@a.o does. What's difficult about this
to understand?

> How about letting people who want to fix this have a go at it without
> further obstruction and obfuscation, Roman?

The patch doesn't fix anything. It simply make an already horrible situation
no more horrible.


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