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From ghamarjannah jannah <>
Subject Re: ombudsman@ (was Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?)
Date Sun, 29 May 2016 22:37:04 GMT
On May 23, 2016 5:47 PM, "Joe Schaefer" <>

> Personally I'd like to see the CoC addressed as well, particularly in
> regards to the use of president@ as a potential reporting channel for
> abuse.
> The CoC has been in place for a while now, and we have a rough guide from
> Ross to indicate that president@ as a reporting channel is underused
> compared with other avenues which are being used.  My personal problem with
> the president@ channel is that it is archived and so member-readable,
> which contradicts the actual claims made about the channel on the CoC.
> We have options for phasing out president@, from simply using one of
> Ross's personal addresses, to creating a dedicated alias of the
> ombuds(man)@ variety.  I prefer the latter, not to intermediate Ross who
> otherwise does an excellent job of handling issues,but to ensure a small
> team of volunteers is in the pipeline to provide some stability beyond
> Ross' tenure as president.  IOW there's no reason Ross couldn't be one of
> the ombuds(man)@ volunteers, should he wish to.
> Ideally the communication channel is described as fully confidential
> between the parties alone- no archiving or any other means of
> unintentionally increasing exposure of the issue beyond what the reporter
> is comfortable with.  Also it'd be good to provide profiles of each
> volunteer on a dedicated page, along with personal contact information as
> an alternate way of communicating an issue.
> Thoughts?
>     On Sunday, May 22, 2016 5:49 PM, Daniel Gruno <>
> wrote:
>  On 05/22/2016 11:35 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> > Here's a really good suggestion from one of our other lists...
> >
> > "I wish we could hear from all the women who haven't come to Apache"
> (pardon the waffling below...)
> I am left wondering....could we perhaps extend this a bit?
> We know there's definitely an issue of women being proportionately
> underrepresented in most FLOSS communities - what about other groups
> that may be in the same boat, but doesn't have the same visibility here?
> Would it make sense to broaden our search a bit and see if we can figure
> out if there are other areas that are just as bad (or maybe even worse
> off)?
> There is plenty of data surrounding how the world is made up of
> different groups of people, whether it be gender, color, orientations,
> faith, mental state etc, but none that I could immediately find on FLOSS
> communities - and I can't help wondering if there are other groups just
> as underrepresented out there (I could think of a few that might be, but
> I have no data whatsoever to support my claims!).
> I'm not saying we should start 100 different outreach programs or try to
> be the perfect fit for everyone from day one...but it sure would be
> interesting to see which groups we actually feel welcoming to, and which
> we miss by a mile.
> Does any such data on FLOSS communities in general already exist?
> I know this may irk some people slightly, trying to open up that big bag
> of profiles, but we won't really know if we are inadvertently hostile or
> unwelcoming to certain parts of the world's population until we start
> asking some questions.
> Maybe some sort of survey on the matter? I would naturally prefer a
> completely anonymous survey if we chose that route.
> With regards,
> Daniel.
> >
> > I'm not crediting because it came from an internal list, but I am
> repeating it as I agree with this excellent suggestion. If there are people
> in this group here please feel free to reach out onlist or, if you feel you
> want to say things better said privately, try Sharan who started the thread
> (or anyone else you feel comfortable mailing with your thoughts).
> >
> > Ross
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Ross Gardler
> >> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 8:39 AM
> >> To:
> >> Subject: RE: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?
> >>
> >> We do not have current strategies. We've tried many things in the past
> but
> >> they've never really succeeded. I'll not speculate on why, it's a
> complex issue.
> >>
> >> What I will say (with my Presidents hat firmly on), is that if folks
> come up
> >> with a strategy that is in line with our charitable mission then please
> don't
> >> hesitate to ask for any support you need.
> >>
> >> Ross
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Sharan Foga []
> >>> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 8:18 AM
> >>> To:
> >>> Subject: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?
> >>>
> >>> Hi All
> >>>
> >>> I'm interested in finding out how we could encourage more women to
> >>> participate on Apache projects. It's a discussion topic that came up
> >>> last week while I was at Apachecon. My understanding is that we don't
> >>> have any current strategies in place so I think it could be good to
> >>> look at gathering some ideas about how to tackle the problem and also
> >>> hear about any lessons learned from any previous or similar strategies.
> >>>
> >>> What do people think?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Sharan
> >>>
> >

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