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From Joe Schaefer <>
Subject Re: ombudsman@ (was Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?)
Date Mon, 23 May 2016 14:46:54 GMT
Personally I'd like to see the CoC addressed as well, particularly in regards to the use of
president@ as a potential reporting channel for abuse.
The CoC has been in place for a while now, and we have a rough guide from Ross to indicate
that president@ as a reporting channel is underused compared with other avenues which are
being used.  My personal problem with the president@ channel is that it is archived and so
member-readable, which contradicts the actual claims made about the channel on the CoC.
We have options for phasing out president@, from simply using one of Ross's personal addresses,
to creating a dedicated alias of the ombuds(man)@ variety.  I prefer the latter, not to intermediate
Ross who otherwise does an excellent job of handling issues,but to ensure a small team of
volunteers is in the pipeline to provide some stability beyond Ross' tenure as president.
 IOW there's no reason Ross couldn't be one of the ombuds(man)@ volunteers, should he wish
Ideally the communication channel is described as fully confidential between the parties alone-
no archiving or any other means of unintentionally increasing exposure of the issue beyond
what the reporter is comfortable with.  Also it'd be good to provide profiles of each volunteer
on a dedicated page, along with personal contact information as an alternate way of communicating
an issue.

    On Sunday, May 22, 2016 5:49 PM, Daniel Gruno <> wrote:

 On 05/22/2016 11:35 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> Here's a really good suggestion from one of our other lists...
> "I wish we could hear from all the women who haven't come to Apache"

(pardon the waffling below...)

I am left wondering....could we perhaps extend this a bit?

We know there's definitely an issue of women being proportionately
underrepresented in most FLOSS communities - what about other groups
that may be in the same boat, but doesn't have the same visibility here?

Would it make sense to broaden our search a bit and see if we can figure
out if there are other areas that are just as bad (or maybe even worse off)?

There is plenty of data surrounding how the world is made up of
different groups of people, whether it be gender, color, orientations,
faith, mental state etc, but none that I could immediately find on FLOSS
communities - and I can't help wondering if there are other groups just
as underrepresented out there (I could think of a few that might be, but
I have no data whatsoever to support my claims!).

I'm not saying we should start 100 different outreach programs or try to
be the perfect fit for everyone from day one...but it sure would be
interesting to see which groups we actually feel welcoming to, and which
we miss by a mile.

Does any such data on FLOSS communities in general already exist?

I know this may irk some people slightly, trying to open up that big bag
of profiles, but we won't really know if we are inadvertently hostile or
unwelcoming to certain parts of the world's population until we start
asking some questions.

Maybe some sort of survey on the matter? I would naturally prefer a
completely anonymous survey if we chose that route.

With regards,

> I'm not crediting because it came from an internal list, but I am repeating it as I agree
with this excellent suggestion. If there are people in this group here please feel free to
reach out onlist or, if you feel you want to say things better said privately, try Sharan
who started the thread (or anyone else you feel comfortable mailing with your thoughts).
> Ross
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ross Gardler
>> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 8:39 AM
>> To:
>> Subject: RE: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?
>> We do not have current strategies. We've tried many things in the past but
>> they've never really succeeded. I'll not speculate on why, it's a complex issue.
>> What I will say (with my Presidents hat firmly on), is that if folks come up
>> with a strategy that is in line with our charitable mission then please don't
>> hesitate to ask for any support you need.
>> Ross
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Sharan Foga []
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 8:18 AM
>>> To:
>>> Subject: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?
>>> Hi All
>>> I'm interested in finding out how we could encourage more women to
>>> participate on Apache projects. It's a discussion topic that came up
>>> last week while I was at Apachecon. My understanding is that we don't
>>> have any current strategies in place so I think it could be good to
>>> look at gathering some ideas about how to tackle the problem and also
>>> hear about any lessons learned from any previous or similar strategies.
>>> What do people think?
>>> Thanks
>>> Sharan

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