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From Sharan Foga <>
Subject Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?
Date Tue, 24 May 2016 10:32:39 GMT
Hi Tamao

All I can say is ..Wow!

Thanks for taking the time to put down your thoughts, observations and 
general knowledge on this. I'm still taking it all in - but it's clear 
to me that there are some opportunities out there that we can start 
looking into.

Thanks also for the offer of help on the contact side and I'll let you 
know if I need some.


On 23/05/16 21:18, wrote:
> My personal approach has been to work with pragmatic career-focused women (like myself)
because it helps to have some singularity of motivation. I can't solve all of the diversity
in tech issues, but I contribute in my own way by running the SF Women's JUG and partnering
with organizations such as Women who code. So from that perspective, here are my 2 cents fwiw:
> 1. Career-development angle: personally I would start with organizations such as Hackbright
whose primary goal is to train and put women in the workforce. As I feel is pretty established
among engineering managers and that Jessica McKellar emphasizes (,
having open source contributions on your resume definitely helps during the interview process.
I'm sure that this is part of the ASF recruiting language, but I think it would help to actively
inject that into partnership activities with organizations such as Hackbright. I specifically
mention Hackbright as well because one of our VPs at my last job mentioned that among all
of the code schools hires, he's been most impressed by the quality of Hackbright graduates
(who are women if you didn't know). They've hired 7 Hackbright women to date with great results.
> I reached out to my Hackbright contacts and they've said that they don't have an open
source program in place, but they are pursuing it and would love to consider partnerships
with the ASF. I'd be happy to connect you.
> Women who code is also committed to getting women jobs in engineering, but their meetups
tend to have a lot of beginners from my own experience (I've attended and hosted many). It
may be more difficult to inject the "contribute" message through their meetups, but they are
helpful to spread the word through their NL. Also, in the very least, if there isn't one already,
there should at least be one talk on making contributions at their new annual conference.
If you don't hear back from them, I'm happy to connect you again.
> 2. Focused sprints?
> PyCon and the Python community in general has better diversity numbers from what I've
seen. I feel that they do a pretty good job at making the sprints at the event fun and inviting
( for many. The next one is coming up (
so if any of you are there, it may be worth checking out. They always do an intro to sprints
session (which you can see in the above Jessica McKellar video). Since you're already talking
with PyLadies, you can get more details on how they and DjangoGirls are involved in recruitment
for that.
> WWC meetups and Railsbridge immediately introduce their women to Git and GitHub, but
from what I know they are dealing with beginner coders so they don't talk about contributing
to Ruby or Rails.
> 3. Featured projects and mentorship
> I often feel overwhelmed by the myriad of projects that get put forth and then I'm told
"pick one and start contributing!" Personally, if you did some type of partnered session with
Hackbright students or at a contribution-specific WWC Meetup, I would see value in doing a
weekend sprint where you select a couple of key projects to walk people through the steps
to contribute. One of Hackbright's strengths is their mentoring structure that continues after
graduation. Perhaps having some ASF project owners to volunteer as mentors specifically to
walk a group of new students through a series of sprints would be one way to go.
> 4. Code of Conduct and diversity ownership
> I'm glad that this thread is here because as Sarah Sharp emphasizes (
diversity is everyone's responsibility and so often the minority is tasked with unpaid/after-hours
work to represent a company's diversity or even build its diversity program. The topic came
up at this year's women in leadership conference ( in a very
disturbing way as well. We heard a good number of stories of women (already getting paid less
than their male counterparts) being asked to put in extra unpaid time to go to some recruiting
event to be the (female or female of color) face of the company. It's important to understand
this as a shared responsibility.
> Finally, since I mention Sarah Sharp, let's hope that after all of this recruitment that
we don't have the same debacle that happened with her, Linus, and other foul-mouthed community
members ( At least from what I've heard from other Linux
community members, her work is greatly respected and it seems a loss to the technology that
she is no longer contributing. Similarly, Rod Johnson made remarks to the Scala community
a few years ago that it will have challenges growing healthily if they continue their trend
of showing disrespect in the forums and strongly criticizing people who are just getting started
with Scala ( Members who receive a great deal of generosity
during their growth are likely to pay it forward.
> Hope this helps!
> Best,
> Tamao Nakahara
> @mewzherder
> On May 23, 2016, at 9:27 AM, Sharan Foga <> wrote:
>> Thanks Alex. It all helps :-)
>> Thanks
>> Sharan
>>> On 23 May 2016 18:08, "Alex Harui" <> wrote:
>>> Also, not specific to software:
>>> HTH,
>>> -Alex
>>>> On 5/23/16, 6:36 AM, "Patricia Shanahan" <> wrote:
>>>> Systers,
>>>> More generally, the Wikipedia article on "Women in Computing",
>>>>, has some possible
>>>> resources.
>>>>> On 5/23/2016 3:45 AM, Sharan Foga wrote:
>>>>> Hi All
>>>>> Just a quick update. I've sent out an email to the following groups so
>>>>> far:
>>>>> - Pyladies
>>>>> - Phpladies
>>>>> - Women Who Code
>>>>> - Girls Who Code
>>>>> - Black Girls Code
>>>>> I'll post any feedback I get. Also if anyone thinks of any other groups
>>>>> they'd like me to contact then please let me know.
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Sharan
>>>>>> On 20/05/16 14:26, Sharan Foga wrote:
>>>>>> Thanks very much to everyone for their feedback and support.
>>>>>> Rich - I will contact these groups to see what feedback and advice
>>>>>> they can give.
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Sharan
>>>>>>> On 20/05/16 14:05, Rich Bowen wrote:
>>>>>>> I would suggest that the most constructive thing we could do
would be
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> reach out to pyladies and phpwomen and other similar organizations
>>>>>>> and ask
>>>>>>> for recommendations and assistance in setting up a similar entity
>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>> On May 19, 2016 11:18, "Sharan Foga" <>
>>>>>>>> Hi All
>>>>>>>> I'm interested in finding out how we could encourage more
women to
>>>>>>>> participate on Apache projects. It's a discussion topic that
came up
>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>> week while I was at Apachecon. My understanding is that we
>>>>>>>> have any
>>>>>>>> current strategies in place so I think it could be good to
look at
>>>>>>>> gathering some ideas about how to tackle the problem and
also hear
>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>> any lessons learned from any previous or similar strategies.
>>>>>>>> What do people think?
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> Sharan

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