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From Shane Curcuru <>
Subject Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?
Date Fri, 20 May 2016 21:39:12 GMT
Rich Bowen wrote on 5/20/16 3:34 PM:
> On 05/20/2016 03:02 PM, Pierre Smits wrote:
>> Will the board consider it, is an appropriate question here?
> Community development activities have been delegated to the ComDev PMC.
> There's no reason for the board to consider it.

This is a really important point that's often misunderstood about how
the ASF and our many Apache projects work.

- Things get done here because some individual does them.  So when we
(in the general case) see other support for our general idea, the next
step is to propose - or submit a patch! - some *specific* changes or
improvements to review and publish.  In particular a really easy place
to start is proposing a new URL/page on the ComDev website to serve as a
landing page for this question, with a brief intro.  There are plenty of
ComDev committers available to ensure website patches get applied.

- The ASF as a *Foundation* generally does far less than you think.  The
ASF is not an advocacy organization, we focus specifically on just
providing services and mentoring that Apache projects ask for to get
their job done of providing software for the public good.

The ASF delegates both responsibility and limited authority to a number
of PMCs (like ComDev) and officers of the corporation (like
President/EVP).  So taking action on positive welcoming programs here is
a thing the ComDev PMC should do (IMO), but is not something the board
is typically going to work on directly.  Similarly, individual Apache
projects are welcome to work on list (like CouchDB does) in their own

My guess as to the best approach is:

- Propose a landing page/resources page to collect the information
people on this topic are gathering.

- Work together to present this in a helpful and organized manner.

- Volunteer to go out to projects you're involved in and suggest
adopting these ideas, or even just having a project navigation link back
to this comdev page.

- Shane

>> Best regards,
>> Pierre Smits
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>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Ross Gardler <>
>> wrote:
>>> My point is that the Members *are* the foundation. The board are 9 the
>>> Members are 550+
>>> Ross
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [] On Behalf Of Greg
>>>> Chase
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 10:20 AM
>>>> To:
>>>> Subject: Re: Encouraging More Women to Participate on Apache Projects?
>>>> On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Ross Gardler
>>>> <>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> The board can consider it or the members can do it.
>>>> Outreach is only meaningful at the individual and project level, yes.
>>>> Measurement, in aggregate, is something the Foundation could do if it
>>> wants
>>>> to make this a central issue.
>>>> I don't think I'd even want to drill down the census by project level,
>>> however.
>>>> That would not be beneficial.  Only providing aggregate numbers to remind
>>>> people of the importance and benefit of diversity, and stimulate more of
>>> the
>>>> meaningful individual and project outreach.

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