Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-community-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-community-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0AB7E19F82 for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2016 12:44:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 14525 invoked by uid 500); 9 Apr 2016 12:44:45 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-community-dev-archive@community.apache.org Received: (qmail 14212 invoked by uid 500); 9 Apr 2016 12:44:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@community.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@community.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@community.apache.org Received: (qmail 14193 invoked by uid 99); 9 Apr 2016 12:44:41 -0000 Received: from pnap-us-west-generic-nat.apache.org (HELO spamd2-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Sat, 09 Apr 2016 12:44:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd2-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd2-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 4C8811A00A0 for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2016 12:44:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd2-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.198 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.198 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd2-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mx2-lw-us.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd2-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.9]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8hskiGnBIpSG for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2016 12:44:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f48.google.com (mail-oi0-f48.google.com [209.85.218.48]) by mx2-lw-us.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx2-lw-us.apache.org) with ESMTPS id D4A805F1BE for ; Sat, 9 Apr 2016 12:44:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi0-f48.google.com with SMTP id w85so163813395oiw.0 for ; Sat, 09 Apr 2016 05:44:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to; bh=bKFR3o+/wk+a9G+jvmFcNEDPC5ONXSShbQGP6XwsSIY=; b=f405FXRrMQ0WZRqXKACTZrlRuT0g0XGlDO9/dTqPlYzDLPGn2lQ9sUC/lud4z7H8y0 9PJEWS1G7qv6+56dyZEFa4VxlNv/hQv0N8IOZN8ybN+ShjZdX17MbwqkMtdPbTtuHCOj L4PfBwtQT278/uVQEhmCvKM/POIEvhPHG9X3aTWh+u6r3Bf4XZ0f8C0dcdL1bj+LGgcy rJUII3jKYM1Y/6W8D5PJgTCAgpyyBiJVMmgHHTpt12Ab8YzL1JmxFMBRpeEDK/GCR2QC SRJOTvoAB1KQGKzASMrc4Oo0fo6OxJvzK4pCusljAFFzTWBX5gLvB4vuyicSAzoqRIZR AxQA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=bKFR3o+/wk+a9G+jvmFcNEDPC5ONXSShbQGP6XwsSIY=; b=Ryg0YMUGJcanIRF0eTkfefcotZ4pQFHjNBRaM99JFpeRK7i01+yAv+EQjrjoZj7fCw E/JI/KOUq5SN1wBYfr5hVEt9UhiUsV7PRvn63PVZcNBwn8f0EoLvMj/hbBUFb/JdWf19 sBPsvl3hfGfvLveUIJeKBE3O/F70qO6i2/cOiakF0aCXaFn7spnywzD2HNH5e7WP3BTk pq5dGRkeyTb9aSpk3yv0aSZpKm1nfyFVkOq12Cmi92X2xQLqgAqdensPs4z947eEPryZ XsTii94cztqpQWjqYRxqj3NZWqJ4RXHqrk/8zMy4Ge2ZPeWawxOhvJiG+3b9VS78a6om 3J6Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJKz4pVa8sSWt7uylkSfofKWGS/qf4Ns4MRvLbYf6i193BeQ2eT8F5SvJk5/mIcIKVooq3qtDDRE6s9kDw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.157.5.106 with SMTP id 97mr5904230otw.127.1460205878024; Sat, 09 Apr 2016 05:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.225.213 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Apr 2016 05:44:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.225.213 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Apr 2016 05:44:37 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: niclas@hedhman.org In-Reply-To: <5708D76C.5010605@spielviel.de> References: <5708D76C.5010605@spielviel.de> Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 20:44:37 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Advice for community participation to lower tension From: Niclas Hedhman To: dev@community.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c0479a4a89f6b05300cac91 --94eb2c0479a4a89f6b05300cac91 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don't count on it... Too much to do. On Apr 9, 2016 18:20, "Ulrich St=C3=A4rk" wrote: > Thanks Niclas! > > Any chance you can find the time to put this up at community.apache.org? > > Cheers, > > Uli > > On 09/04/16 03:50, Niclas Hedhman wrote: > > Everyone, > > recently there was some tension/friction in a community, and I posted t= he > > following advice to everyone to better get along. Not only did the > > community members responded positively, but I also got pinged privately > to > > make this available publicly, so here it is, and I will let the wider > > community do with it what it sees fit... > > > > > > First a few general guidelines; > > a. Assume that the other party agrees more than disagrees with you. W= e > > tend to leave out agreements and focus on differences. Sometime this is > > forgotten and escalation becomes absurd for no rational reason. > > > > b. When in doubt, assume that you are interpreting the message wrongl= y > > and kindly ask for verification that you understood a particular topic > well. > > > > c. When writing, assume that every sentence will be misinterpreted. > > Review and try to reformulate to be as clear as possible. > > > > d. Use a submissive tone in all writing. Instead of the strong "In my > > opinion, we must..." or the quite neutral "I think we should...", try t= o > > use "Maybe we should consider..." or "Another idea that we could..." > > > > e. If you disagree strongly with an email sent, tag it Important, th= en > > put it aside. Read it half a day later again. Put it aside. Read it aga= in > > next day, and then it is easier to write a balanced and inviting > response, > > instead of the initial vitriol that flows through us when we get upset.= I > > found that sometimes a response wouldn't be necessary, as the importanc= e > > was actually much lower than originally perceived, and I would be able = to > > work "with", instead of "against", a given change. > > > > f. Be forgiving and accept different priorities. The other person is > not > > out to get you or attack your work. More often than not, it is one of t= he > > above (a-d) that are failing, or that the other person prioritize some > > aspect higher than you do. Sometimes, this requires compromises, > sometimes > > not and the different priorities can co-exist. > > > > > > Most communities at Apache consists of level-headed, reasonable people, > who > > have a strong vested interest in its Apache project. This interest, oft= en > > passion, is both the source of tension, but it is also what unites the > > people within the community. It is easy to forget the vast amount of > > agreement that exists, and get upset over relatively small disagreement= s. > > Ability to put that aside, or downplay the importance, will ensure a > > harmonious project. > > > > Face-to-Face is excellent way to eliminate disagreements, but that is > often > > not practical. Consider Skype or Google Hangout, just for the social > aspect > > of being part of this community. It should not be formal, and the > > invitation should go out to everyone, perhaps someone want to make a > short > > presentation of what he/she is doing, to have some "structure", but tha= t > > might not be needed either. Once we have a face to the words, and a > general > > idea how that person is socially, we are much more capable to interact = by > > email. > > > > > > Cheers > > > --94eb2c0479a4a89f6b05300cac91--