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From Niclas Hedhman <hedh...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community
Date Sat, 21 Nov 2015 07:01:58 GMT
Ted,
2 things...

1. There were Apache Roadshows in Shanghai in 2010 and 2011.

2. I am glad to see your enthusiasm of forming/creating organization. But
the ASF and many other open source projects are not command&control driven
top-down structures. So, there is very little "need" for "creation of
communities". They either form, or they don't.

I was happy to see that the younger generation at the Roadshow in Beijing
grasped that idea very well, whereas the somewhat older generation had a
more top-down approach, of wanting to build it like a company, like a
government or a religious organization. I hope that you can appreciate the
difference and channel your enthusiasm slightly differently.

Like you, I think language barrier is currently a big barrier, but I have
first hand witnessed the improvements in online translation services in the
past few years. Enormous improvement. Perhaps we are soon at a stage where
this can be an additional tool to bridge this gap.

My suggestions are towards localized meetups, where discussion, hacking,
presentations are conducted, by the participants, for the participants, a
peer-to-peer environment. Apache doesn't need to be formally involved in
this, but I am sure many Apache contributors would be happy to participate,
as peers, in such events/clubs. And I am convinced this will spin off both
projects as well as dieect contribution to ASF and other projects.

Be an igniter, not a driver. Ignite many small efforts, instead of single
big one.

Keep up the positive work.

Niclas

On Nov 21, 2015 13:18, "Ted Liu" <tedl@microsoft.com> wrote:

> Hi Apache Community Development PMC,
>
> Wish to get some advices on how to form a community of Apache fans in
> China. Would a new China-specific project at the ComDev be possible? Please
> see the background and thoughts outlined below.
>
> Apache projects and technologies have been widely adopted in China, such
> as Alibaba, Tencent, many enterprises, academic and public services.
> However, there has been little engagement between ASF and communities and
> enterprises in China. We, at KAIYUANSHE (www.kaiyuanshe.org<
> http://www.kaiyuanshe.org>, the first ground-up open source alliance
> chartered to promote open source governance and technologies in China and
> Asia with over 50 community and enterprise members now) wish to bridge the
> gaps between the leading international OSS communities, like ASF, and
> communities and enterprises in China. The last Apache roadshow was on 2009
> in Shanghai. We, KAIYUANSHE, thought it'd be good to reboot the ASF
> engagement through another roadshow in China.
>
> The Apache Roadshow 2015 - China with KAIYUANSHE was organized by
> KAIYUANSHE and successfully held on Oct. 24-25 in Beijing with ASF's
> community sponsorship and keynoters support, i.e. Brett Porter, David
> Nalley, Niclas Hedhman, J. Aaron Farr and Jason Dai. Please see more
> roadshow details here.
>
> - ASF "Foundation" blog http://s.apache.org/q2L<
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fs.apache.org%2fq2L&data=01%7c01%7ctedl%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7c407aaa4b8a314f85dc0a08d2ebd3057d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=BX9JYQC1f13QXPZwKSGBm6%2bwC2D%2fn1%2bcOoq3rIQTwsw%3d
> >
> - @TheASF Twitter feed
> https://twitter.com/TheASF/status/664920266397646848<
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2ftwitter.com%2fTheASF%2fstatus%2f664920266397646848&data=01%7c01%7ctedl%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7c407aaa4b8a314f85dc0a08d2ebd3057d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=l6exPHzOHmI56%2bicv2MCtaEPkCHpdC7CWhdX0GFRwPs%3d
> >
> - announce@apache.org<mailto:announce@apache.org> (and archives)
> - ASF dedicated media/analyst list
> - http://apache.org/<
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fapache.org%2f&data=01%7c01%7ctedl%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7c407aaa4b8a314f85dc0a08d2ebd3057d%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=F1DdEAFN4EWnlKMlYZkPfa2izrtPwulToBHZcpf%2b0O4%3d>
> home page
>
> After the roadshow, we have received tremendous requests to form a China
> community to keep engaging with 5000+ audience who attended this roadshow
> and tens of thousands people who did not have time or were unaware of the
> events. So far, there already are many volunteers, including Apache
> members, PMC members, committers, contributors, developers and users, who
> are willing to join the China community steering committee and working
> groups to help grow the talents, projects and community in China and bridge
> between ASF and the fans in China following the Apache way.
>
> Any feedback or advice on how to form a community of Apache fans in China
> or how to form a new China-specific project at the ComDev would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
>
> Ted Liu
> Co-organizer of the Apache Roadshow 2015 - China
> Co-founding member of KAIYUANSHE
>

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