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From Steve Loughran <steve.lough...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Apache Software Foundation Projects and DevOps
Date Wed, 11 Nov 2015 14:20:11 GMT
I should add that the ASF was one of the first places that java CI tooling
was put together, with Apache Gump being the nightly build-from-scratch
build of the entire OSS java stack. I'm not sure if it predates Martin
Fowler's CruiseControl —if not it was concurrent.

I will also note that the first written use of the term "continuous
deployment" was actually a paper of mine discussing deployment of things
using the ASF build tools and CruiseControl,
http://www.hpl.hp.com/techreports/2002/HPL-2002-274.pdf —again something
that is concurrent with the work in the area by Kent Beck and Martin
Fowler.

Put succinctly: irrespective of how the ASF infrastructure team works, the
build tool automation developed at the ASF was driven by the need of its
authors to automate their building and testing; this happened at the same
time as the development of junit, the first CI tooling, and the first early
steps in continuous deployment —all stuff we helped enable.

On 9 November 2015 at 20:38, Akond Rahman <aarahman@ncsu.edu> wrote:

> Greetings All,
>
> Thanks for all of your kind replies.
> If I understood correctly, then I think the Apache Software Foundation, as
> an organization have not adopted DevOps principles; it might happen on a
> 'contributor' level, where each or a small group of contributors have
> adopted DevOps to contribute to Apache projects.
>
> Thanks again ... much appreciated!
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org>
> > wrote:
> > > Perhaps the question was about how the Foundation itself
> > > manages its own IT needs. Not sure if we've got anybody
> > > from the INFRA team on this list, but they were the right
> > > folks to ask.
> >
> > if that is the case, the following link may be helpful:
> >
> >
> >
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INFRA/Git+workflow+for+infrastructure-puppet+repo
> >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Roman.
> >
> > - Sam Ruby
> >
> > > On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Niclas Hedhman <niclas@hedhman.org>
> > wrote:
> > >> Akond,
> > >> Unless I misunderstand what you are asking for, I don't think the
> > question
> > >> is relevant.
> > >>
> > >> Projects create software, but very few (if any) projects provide their
> > >> software as an online service.
> > >> Some projects, however, target the DevOps communities directly, such
> as
> > >> Apache Mesos and many other projects are used by DevOps in the
> > Enterprise
> > >> around the world. It is also very possible that individuals working on
> > the
> > >> Apache projects, do apply Continuous Deployment and other practices at
> > >> their day job, with those Apache projects. I have no example of this,
> > but
> > >> it wouldn't surprise me...
> > >>
> > >> Apache Software Foundation itself runs many services to be provided to
> > >> projects for them to do their job. This includes Continuous
> Integration
> > >> applications, source control systems, mailing lists and much more. The
> > >> infrastructure team is a seasoned operations team with rather strong
> > >> development skills. You could call them DevOps if you like, but
> possibly
> > >> not the definition that you work with.
> > >>
> > >> Hope that helps.
> > >> Niclas
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 6:00 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
> > >> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Should probably ask this on the ComDev list, CC’ed (BCC to
> > >>> webmaster@)
> > >>>
> > >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> > >>> Chief Architect
> > >>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
> > >>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> > >>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
> > >>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
> > >>> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
> > >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
> > >>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
> > >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: Akond Rahman <aarahman@ncsu.edu>
> > >>> Date: Wednesday, November 4, 2015 at 12:58 PM
> > >>> To: "webmaster@apache.org" <webmaster@apache.org>
> > >>> Subject: Apache Software Foundation Projects and DevOps
> > >>>
> > >>> >Greetings,
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >I am a second year PhD student and I am looking for project
> > repositories
> > >>> >such as
> > >>> >
> > >>> >project source code, project version history, bug history etc.
that
> > are
> > >>> >used
> > >>> >
> > >>> >in DevOps shops and the products they deliver. My question for
you
> is:
> > >>> >does Apache software
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >foundation use DevOps or continuous delivery
> > >>> >principles/policies/practices for their
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >projects? If so which projects and what are their versions?
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >Any kind of feedback will be greatly appreciated.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >--
> > >>> >Sincerely,
> > >>> >Akond Rahman,
> > >>> >
> > >>> >Graduate Teaching Assistant,
> > >>> >
> > >>> >Department of CSC, NCSU
> > >>> >Website: http://akondrahman.github.io/
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
> > >> http://zest.apache.org - New Energy for Java
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> Akond Rahman,
> Graduate Teaching Assistant,
> Department of CSC, NCSU
> Website: http://akondrahman.github.io/
>

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