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From Hervé BOUTEMY <herve.bout...@free.fr>
Subject Re: 答复: 答复: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache China Community
Date Fri, 27 Nov 2015 11:50:35 GMT
ok, waiting for your feedback

but remember, stay really simple for the first try: we need to test the concept 
before trying to write much content, just an intro to our intent

Regards,

Hervé

Le jeudi 26 novembre 2015 12:54:23 Ted Liu a écrit :
> Thank Hervé for being committer and Luke & Lei for helping review. I'll
> provide a list of pages to be translated with priority and timeline for
> your feedbacks before moving on to work on them.
 
> Ted
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Luke Han [mailto:luke.hq@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 5:43 PM
> To: dev@community.apache.org
> Subject: Re: 答复: 答复: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache
> China Community
 
> There are many Chinese in ASF community who could help on this, We could
> engage them to help review.
 
> Count me as one:-)
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Luke
> 
> 
> Best Regards!
> ---------------------
> 
> Luke Han
> 
> On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Lei Chang <chang.lei.cn@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> > I can do the review.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> > Lei Chang
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 2:43 PM, Hervé BOUTEMY <herve.boutemy@free.fr>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > ok, I didn't catch you were not committer
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > As Ross points out, you'll become committer after earning merit :) 
> > > and before that, you can provide content through CMS without being
> > > committer:
> > > did you try?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I can play the committer role and try to get the content and commit 
> > > after you submitted it, to check that the process works: I just 
> > > won't be able to really review the content :) notice that I can 
> > > check what result I get using an automatic translation
> > > service: IMHO, this is part of the process that we should try
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Do we have a chinese speaking committer who could review the 
> > > content,
> > 
> > with
> > 
> > > Apache Way in mind to check that what is explained to chinese 
> > > speaking people regarding contribution is ok?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hervé
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Le mercredi 25 novembre 2015 08:21:35 Ted Liu a écrit :
> > > 
> > > > Yes, that's what we are hoping for. I'd also like to become a 
> > > > committer
> > > 
> > > of
> > > 
> > > > comdev to review and to be able to edit the content.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Ted
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Hervé BOUTEMY [mailto:herve.boutemy@free.fr]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 3:56 PM
> > > > To: dev@community.apache.org
> > > > Subject: Re: 答复: 答复: Forming a community of Apache fans in China -
> > 
> > Apache
> > 
> > > > China Community
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > yes, that's what I meant: anybody can send patch, a committer must
> > 
> > commit
> > 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > for me, "editing" was about publishing, ie requiring commit
> > > > privilege.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > but there is a feature I don't really master in CMS for 
> > > > non-committers
> > 
> > to
> > 
> > > > easily submit patches: I found the doc [1] but never tried it myself.
> > >  
> > >  This
> > >  
> > > > FAQ entry should probably be one of the first content to be 
> > > > translated
> > 
> > to
> > 
> > > > crowd-source translation :)
> > > > notice that if a currently non-committer propose a lot of good 
> > > > centent,
> > > 
> > > he
> > > 
> > > > could IMHO be  voted to be committer on comdev (ie not on any code 
> > > > TLP,
> > > 
> > > but
> > > 
> > > > general committer to have the commit bit to the site)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hervé
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fwww.ap
> > ache
> > 
> > > .
> > > 
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > org%2fdev%2fcmsref.html%23non-committer&data=01%7c01%7ctedl%40064d.mgd
> > .micro
> > 
> > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=soft.com&data=0
> > > > 1%7c01%7ctedl%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7c651316116b404b3f8d5a08d2f
> > > > 6460bf8%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=XZJMH2WkSvxXV
> > > > O%2fkEMAGdKu0dzSwzggwEQkQ19JrPG0%3d
> > > 
> > > %7c35910a4d30da427a867308d2f56de271%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db
> > > 
> > > > 47%7c1&sdata=IuaGJ1X%2bE2ffXNN2d22Jcqg0T1mHUVtf8ey5BlCJoB0%3d
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Le mercredi 25 novembre 2015 01:15:31 Ted Liu a écrit :
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > The site content is public. We can get the designated content 
> > > > > translated, by crowdsourcing to the community volunteers here, 
> > > > > then send to a Chinese committer to proofread and edit the site.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Ted
> > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > 发件人: Hervé BOUTEMY<mailto:herve.boutemy@free.fr>
> > > > > 发送时间: ‎2015/‎11/‎25 8:38
> > > > > 收件人: dev@community.apache.org<mailto:dev@community.apache.org>
> > > > > 主题: Re: 答复: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache
> > 
> > China
> > 
> > > > > Community
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I don't exactly know what you mean by "crowd-source the tasks to 
> > > > > the OSS community in China": currently, you must be Apache 
> > > > > committer to
> > 
> > be
> > 
> > > > > able to edit community site Then the first steps to engage 
> > > > > people
> > 
> > will
> > 
> > > > > have to come from existing chinese
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >  speaking committers: explaining non-committers how to send a 
> > > > 
> > > > patch
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > would permit non-committers to help committers improve the 
> > > > > content
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hervé
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Le samedi 21 novembre 2015 16:44:26 Ted Liu a écrit :
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I can help with these tasks since we, at KAIYUANSHE, have done 
> > > > > > the similar to bring the great OSS governance and licensing 
> > > > > > content and application from OSS-Watch in U.K. to our website 
> > > > > > by our professional translators with Ross' guidance. One 
> > > > > > question, can we crowd-source the tasks to the OSS community 
> > > > > > in China? Our
> > 
> > KAIYUANSHE
> > 
> > > > > > members , including myself, can do translation and/or
> > > > > > proofreading.
> > > > > > As said earlier, this would greatly inspire the communities 
> > > > > > and
> > 
> > devs
> > 
> > > > > > here.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ted
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > > 发件人: Hervé BOUTEMY<mailto:herve.boutemy@free.fr>
> > > > > > 发送时间: ‎2015/‎11/‎22 0:11
> > > > > > 收件人: dev@community.apache.org<mailto:dev@community.apache.org>
> > > > > > 主题: Re: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - Apache 
> > > > > > China Community
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > then IMHO some chinese speaking people should start writing a
> > 
> > little
> > 
> > > > > > introduction on
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > 
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=community.apache.
> > 
> > > > > > org&da
> > > > > > t
> > > > > > a=01%7c01%7ctedl%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com
> > 
> > %7ca10fa05981994c5cfea308d2
> > 
> > > > > > f28e6
> > > > > > a29
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > 
> > %7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=54Q9uFYNL%2b9O4ZG4zxpn
> > 
> > > > > > XU2tF s6I TD%2fXEQ4SICmtgME%3d, like newcomers [1], newbiefaq 
> > > > > > [2]
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > IIRC, any ASF committer can edit the site
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > once a few pages are available, then they could be referenced 
> > > > > > from classical
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  english site and we can work on creating a chinese-language
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > mailing list
> > > > > > That's how I see the process, but I won't be able to do 
> > > > > > anything about it, since I don't speak chinese :) (and I don't 
> > > > > > think there
> > 
> > is
> > 
> > > > > > such a strong need for a french equivalent)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hervé
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1]
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > 
> > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fcomm
> > > unit
> > > 
> > > > > > y.
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > pache.org%2fnewcomers%2f&data=01%7c01%7ctedl%
> > 
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=40064d.mgd.microsof
> > t.co&data=01%7c01%7ctedl%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7c651316116b404b3f8d
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> > 
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > [2]
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > 
> > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fcomm
> > > unit
> > > 
> > > > > > y.
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=pache.org&d
> > > > > > ata=01%7c01%7ctedl%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7c651316116b404b3f
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> > 
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> > 
> > > > > > com%7
> > > > > > ca1
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > 
> > 0fa05981994c5cfea308d2f28e6a29%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c
> > 
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Le samedi 21 novembre 2015 13:53:03 Ted Liu a écrit :
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thank Niclas and Hervé, It is excited to see the great ideas 
> > > > > > > to start with.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  If needed, we can help crowdsource for contributions in China 
> > > > > 
> > > > > and
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > it is very likely to excite and attract many talented young
> > 
> > people
> > 
> > > > > > > to contribute.>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Other than the great content, email list, webpage, etc., we 
> > > > > > > can also help from user experience side, such as pages in 
> > > > > > > Chinese for mobile or a Wechat public account for news, 
> > > > > > > blogs publishing or other services, and social interactions 
> > > > > > > thru Wechat or QQ, such
> > 
> > as
> > 
> > > > > > > allowing any Chinese Apache fans to
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  retweet and socialize great articles.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > p.s. The reason why a Wechat public account is a big plus 
> > > > > > > because it is used
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  by 500M Wechat chatters on daily basis to acquire/learn
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > information. This is a very effective China-specific scenario.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Hervé BOUTEMY [mailto:herve.boutemy@free.fr]
> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 7:56 PM
> > > > > > > To: dev@community.apache.org
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Forming a community of Apache fans in China - 
> > > > > > > Apache China Community
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > thinking more about it
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Imagine:
> > > > > > > - a few localized pages in
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > 
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=community.apach
> > 
> > > > > > > e.org&
> > > > > > > da
> > > > > > > t
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> > 
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> > 
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> > > > > > >
> > 
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> > 
> > > > > > > RyF45m
> > > > > > > p
> > > > > > > fx7 pTE14aitDzC3nVk%3d about tooling, culture and so on + 
> > > > > > > mailing list to interact
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  - as a first step, previous localized team could provide a 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > little
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > localized page to  each classical TLP (managed primarily in
> > > > > > > english) to explain the purpose of the TLP and how they can 
> > > > > > > contact localized
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > 
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=community.apach
> > 
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> > 
> > > > > > > RyF45m
> > > > > > > p
> > > > > > > fx7 pTE14aitDzC3nVk%3d to get help to interact with the TLP 
> > > > > > > IMHO, it's not about translating everything in every TLP: 
> > > > > > > it's about putting
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >  in every TLP  (starting with
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > 
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> > 
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> > 
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> > > > > > > c7jGf7
> > > > > > > x
> > > > > > > oXS RA6MXUtczeSshXk%3d) a localized pointer to localized 
> > > > > > > helpers in community.apache.org.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Of course, if the localized team grows big, they can engage 
> > > > > > > more translations on some TLPs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Then +1 to creating china@community.apache.org +
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > 
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fco
> > 
> > > > > > > mmunit
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> > > > > > > lA9 hXKy5wFT2z%2fPNWm%2f%2fRl%2bLcCLvKxI7DwDoZVYvsE%3d to 
> > > > > > > explain the concept And probably
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > 
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fco
> > 
> > > > > > > mmunit
> > > > > > > y.
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=pache.org
> > > > > > > &data=01%7c01%7ctedl%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7c651316116b40
> > > > > > > 4b3f8d5a08d2f6460bf8%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&
> > > > > > > sdata=mnPUJ78cV5mYDC9ViG%2bYkuOmRStytqvgwgOut094Fe8%3d
> > > 
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> > > > > > > om%
> > > > > > >
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> > 7c3739535c7a0d4f23100108d2f26ac9d7%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011d
> > 
> > > > > > > b47%7c
> > > > > > > 1
> > > > > > > &sd ata=o%2bhr%2b0B77v2nXFdQsAoby8ISqKHYky4i5Sluma9ViyE%3d 
> > > > > > > to point to every localization where this process is started
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Notice: instead of "china" = a country name in english, we 
> > > > > > > should name it after language: ISO-639 alpha-3 codes seem a 
> > > > > > > better
> > 
> > choice
> > 
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > IMHO, easy to start and see which locales get traction
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hervé
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Le samedi 21 novembre 2015 19:34:11 Niclas Hedhman a écrit :
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I agree that translated content is a great start, if there 
> > > > > > > > is enough energy for it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There are three main "entry points" into Apache outside of 
> > > > > > > > the projects themselves;
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >   a.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > 
> > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.apache.org&
> > > 
> > > > > > > >   da
> > > > > > > >   ta
> > > > > > > >   =
> > > > > > > >   01%7c01%7ctedl%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com
> > > 
> > > %7c3739535c7a0d4f23100108d2
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> > >  d7%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=1owk036Iz0L7CvCjYK
> > >  
> > > > > > > >   79
> > > > > > > >   VJ
> > > > > > > >   Yn
> > > > > > > >   0zU%2fKsXoeTkFfi3ED5k%3d
> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > 
> > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=incubator.apach
> > > 
> > > > > > > >   e.
> > > > > > > >   or
> > > > > > > >   g
> > > > > > > >   &data=01%7c01%7ctedl%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com
> > > 
> > > %7c3739535c7a0d4f2310
> > > 
> > > > > > > >   01
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> > >  f26ac9d7%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=ZvN%2ftVv2eI
> > >  
> > > > > > > >   Nl
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> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > 
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=community.apa
> > 
> > > > > > > > che.or
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > g&data=01%7c01%7ctedl%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com
> > 
> > %7c3739535c7a0d4f2
> > 
> > > > > > > > 310010
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > 
> > 8d2f26ac9d7%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=%2fZti2
> > 
> > > > > > > > MXsNqq
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > O0quW2NRyF45mpfx7pTE14aitDzC3nVk%3d
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As far as I know, the actual content is in some markdown 
> > > > > > > > text format, and should be relatively easy to get going 
> > > > > > > > page by
> > 
> > page,
> > 
> > > > > > > > and I am sure Infrastructure will be able to let us know 
> > > > > > > > where to put it, and link it into the user experience
> > > > > > > > "somehow".
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That content alone are probably volunteer-months worth of 
> > > > > > > > work, especially since I think peer review is very 
> > > > > > > > important, since language matters for policy and such.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > *I* am also very positive to alternate language
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > 
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=community.apa
> > 
> > > > > > > > che.or
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > g&data=01%7c01%7ctedl%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com
> > 
> > %7c3739535c7a0d4f2
> > 
> > > > > > > > 310010
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > 
> > 8d2f26ac9d7%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=%2fZti2
> > 
> > > > > > > > MXsNqq
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > O0quW2NRyF45mpfx7pTE14aitDzC3nVk%3d
> > > > > > > > mailing lists. china@community.apache.org could be a 
> > > > > > > > start,
> > 
> > and
> > 
> > > > > > > > from there it should be possible to gauge the interest.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For the rest of ComDev; I was added to the WeChat (a 
> > > > > > > > Chinese WhatsApp-like
> > > > > > > > app) group that is now 360 people. If the chatter there 
> > > > > > > > could
> > 
> > be
> > 
> > > > > > > > directed to china@community.apache.org, we would possibly
> > 
> > have a
> > 
> > > > > > > > semi-busy list from the start.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Niclas
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 7:15 PM, Ted Liu 
> > > > > > > > <tedl@microsoft.com>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yes, agreed. We can help motivate people, maybe
> > 
> > crowdsourcing,
> > 
> > > > > > > > > here to help translate. But need to consider what 
> > > > > > > > > contents
> > 
> > and
> > 
> > > > > > > > > a streamline user experience.  Ted
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: Ross Gardler [mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com]
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 7:00 PM
> > > > > > > > > To: dev@community.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: Forming a community of Apache fans in China 
> > > > > > > > > - Apache China Community
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Localized content is a great suggestion.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: Hervé BOUTEMY [mailto:herve.boutemy@free.fr]
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 2:58 AM
> > > > > > > > > To: dev@community.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Forming a community of Apache fans in China 
> > > > > > > > > - Apache China Community
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I like the idea of doing something to better engage with
> > 
> > China
> > 
> > > > > > > > > or India or "country of your choice" people interested 
> > > > > > > > > in
> > 
> > Open
> > 
> > > > > > > > > Source but not able currently because of language and
> > 
> > cultural
> > 
> > > > > > > > > barriers for masses
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But when I read "forming the Apache China Community", I 
> > > > > > > > > read forming something completely separate, and 
> > > > > > > > > eventually forming a separate
> > > > > > > > > TLP:
> > > > > > > > > staying short, I'm not convinced
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What about creating localized content in
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > 
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%
> > 
> > > > > > > > > 2fcomm
> > > > > > > > > un
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > y.
> > > > > > > > > apache.org%2f&data=01%7c01%7cRoss.Gardler%40microsoft.co
> > > > > > > > > m
> > 
> > %7c3f
> > 
> > > > > > > > > 189780
> > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > a87344
> > > > > > > > >
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> > cabc1608d2f262b677%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdat
> > 
> > > > > > > > > a=1Rvs
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > CGO3%2 fEVJ6QXQEt%2bBcV%2bVlrhqAXHD1jAPYGjUZ6w%3d , 
> > > > > > > > > pointing to dedicated non-english language mailing 
> > > > > > > > > lists, focused on explaining community aspects, how to 
> > > > > > > > > engage with Apache projects and to deal with the fact 
> > > > > > > > > that Apache projects are
> > > 
> > > done
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > in english?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Because I don't see:
> > > > > > > > > - how we could do localized lists for every Apache TLP
> > > > > > > > > - how we could do a TLP that we can't interact with in
> > 
> > english
> > 
> > > > > > > > > (I can say it because I'm not native english: english
> > 
> > language
> > 
> > > > > > > > > is our minimum common convention, and it cost me to 
> > > > > > > > > learn it
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > :) )
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > But perhaps existing community TLP could have localized 
> > > > > > > > > sub-projects (taking the form of content + mailing 
> > > > > > > > > lists, but not code) targeted at helping people work 
> > > > > > > > > with other TLPs
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > WDYT?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hervé
> > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Le samedi 21 novembre 2015 18:14:11 Ted Dunning a écrit :
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > Ted,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > It is not clear that what you want to happen is not
> > > 
> > > happening.
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > There does seem to be an open discussion. Here and
> > 
> > elsewhere.
> > 
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > What exactly do you want to happen?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > What good thing is not happening?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > What bad thing is happening?
> > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone
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> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 21, 2015, at 17:58, Ted Liu 
> > > > > > > > > > > <tedl@microsoft.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Niclas,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > It'd be appreciated an open and constructive 
> > > > > > > > > > > discussion can be formed at ASF instead of labeling or
> > > > > > > > > > > stereotyping.
> > > > > > > > > > > The ask of forming of a community, group or alike in
> > 
> > China
> > 
> > > > > > > > > > > comes from the grass-root idea and action because 
> > > > > > > > > > > there are strong demands here.
> > > > > > > > > > > Otherwise nobody would care and nobody could be
> > 
> > instructed
> > 
> > > > > > > > > > > or directed. That’s the reason why a group of 
> > > > > > > > > > > Chinese ASF members, PMC members, committers, 
> > > > > > > > > > > contributors, etc.,
> > 
> > want
> > 
> > > > > > > > > > > to work together voluntarily to change the status 
> > > > > > > > > > > quo by bridging the Chinese talents and good 
> > > > > > > > > > > projects to/from ASF. The motivation and enablement 
> > > > > > > > > > > of the local community/group will be mainly from the 
> > > > > > > > > > > experienced Chinese ASF members, committers and 
> > > > > > > > > > > contributors, who people will trust,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > instead of any individual new to ASF.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Talking about the language barrier, you should 
> > > > > > > > > > > already know how difficult it is to learn Chinese 
> > > > > > > > > > > after living 4+ years in Shanghai.
> > > > > > > > > > > One recent example is that literally no one from the 
> > > > > > > > > > > Apache Fans Wechat social group
> > > > > > > > > > > (360 people now) responded to your proposal, in 
> > > > > > > > > > > English, to hold a technical meetup in Shanghai. 
> > > > > > > > > > > Your ASF status and the fact of your location in 
> > > > > > > > > > > Shanghai do not automatically translate into trust 
> > > > > > > > > > > and effective communication to enable and motivate
> > > > > > > > > > > people's actions.
> > 
> > The
> > 
> > > > > > > > > > > wait of a good machine translation is an unknown 
> > > > > > > > > > > that younger generation contributors would not
> > > > > > > > > > > tolerate.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The more challenging part is the culture differences
> > 
> > where
> > 
> > > > > > > > > > > the sense of community, governance, contribution and 
> > > > > > > > > > > the Apache Way are still at infant stage in China. 
> > > > > > > > > > > There are more than enough good codes and events 
> > > > > > > > > > > (conferences,
> > > 
> > > meetups,
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > etc.) in China.
> > >  
> > >  The
> > >  
> > > > > > > > > > > real blockers are language and non-Apache-Way 
> > > > > > > > > > > culture where the proposed China community/group can
> > > > > > > > > > > contribute.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Ted
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > > From: Niclas Hedhman [mailto:hedhman@gmail.com]
> > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2015 3:02 PM
> > > > > > > > > > > To: dev@community.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Forming a community of Apache fans in 
> > > > > > > > > > > China
> > 
> > -
> > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Apache China Community
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Ted,
> > > > > > > > > > > 2 things...
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 1. There were Apache Roadshows in Shanghai in 2010 
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > 
> > > 2011.
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 2. I am glad to see your enthusiasm of 
> > > > > > > > > > > forming/creating organization. But the ASF and many 
> > > > > > > > > > > other open source projects are not command&control 
> > > > > > > > > > > driven top-down structures. So, there is very little 
> > > > > > > > > > > "need" for "creation of communities". They either 
> > > > > > > > > > > form, or they
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > don't.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I was happy to see that the younger generation at 
> > > > > > > > > > > the Roadshow in Beijing grasped that idea very well, 
> > > > > > > > > > > whereas the
> > > 
> > > somewhat
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > older generation had a more top-down approach, of 
> > > > > > > > > > > wanting
> > > 
> > > to
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > build it like a company, like a government or a 
> > > > > > > > > > > religious organization. I hope that you can 
> > > > > > > > > > > appreciate the
> > 
> > difference
> > 
> > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > channel your enthusiasm
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > slightly differently.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Like you, I think language barrier is currently a 
> > > > > > > > > > > big barrier, but I have first hand witnessed the 
> > > > > > > > > > > improvements in
> > 
> > online
> > 
> > > > > > > > > > > translation services in the past few years. Enormous 
> > > > > > > > > > > improvement. Perhaps we are soon at a stage where 
> > > > > > > > > > > this
> > 
> > can
> > 
> > > be
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > > additional tool to bridge this
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > gap.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > My suggestions are towards localized meetups, where 
> > > > > > > > > > > discussion, hacking, presentations are conducted, by 
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > 
> > participants,
> > 
> > > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > > the participants, a peer-to-peer environment. Apache
> > > 
> > > doesn't
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > need to be formally involved in this, but I am sure 
> > > > > > > > > > > many Apache contributors would be happy to 
> > > > > > > > > > > participate, as peers, in
> > > 
> > > such
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > events/clubs. And I am convinced this will spin off 
> > > > > > > > > > > both projects as well as dieect contribution to ASF 
> > > > > > > > > > > and other projects.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Be an igniter, not a driver. Ignite many small 
> > > > > > > > > > > efforts, instead of single big one.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Keep up the positive work.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Niclas
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> On Nov 21, 2015 13:18, "Ted Liu" 
> > > > > > > > > > >> <tedl@microsoft.com>
> > > 
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> Hi Apache Community Development PMC,
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> Wish to get some advices on how to form a community 
> > > > > > > > > > >> of Apache fans in China. Would a new China-specific 
> > > > > > > > > > >> project at the ComDev be
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > possible?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> Please see the background and thoughts outlined below.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> Apache projects and technologies have been widely
> > 
> > adopted
> > 
> > > in
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >> China, such as Alibaba, Tencent, many enterprises,
> > > 
> > > academic
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > > > > > >> public
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > services.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> However, there has been little engagement between 
> > > > > > > > > > >> ASF
> > 
> > and
> > 
> > > > > > > > > > >> communities and enterprises in China. We, at 
> > > > > > > > > > >> KAIYUANSHE (
> > > 
> > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.kaiyu
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >> an
> > > > > > > > > > >> sh
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> > > > > > > > > > >> &data=01%7c01%7ctedl%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com
> > > 
> > > %7cf7d98c2300844
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >> 57
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> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
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> > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f
> > > 
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> > > > > > > > > > >> .ka
> > > > > > > > > > >> iyuanshe.org&data=01%7c01%7ctedl%
> > 
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=40064d.mgd.microsof
> > t.com&data=01%7c01%7ctedl%40064d.mgd.microsoft.com%7c651316116b404b3f8
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> > > 84457b6ef408d2f241b3ef%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1
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> > > > > > > > > > >> data =KN 
> > > > > > > > > > >> IsmJKqH2jG993HWWcVyKGZluqQVmuBHqxi7RC1YeM%3d>,
> > > 
> > > the
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >> first ground-up open source alliance chartered to
> > 
> > promote
> > 
> > > > > > > > > > >> open
> > > > > > > > > > >> source governance and technologies in China and 
> > > > > > > > > > >> Asia
> > 
> > with
> > 
> > > > > > > > > > >> over
> > > > > > > > > > >> 50 community and enterprise members now) wish to 
> > > > > > > > > > >> bridge
> > > 
> > > the
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >> gaps between the leading international OSS 
> > > > > > > > > > >> communities,
> > > 
> > > like
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >> ASF, and communities and enterprises in China. The 
> > > > > > > > > > >> last Apache roadshow was on 2009 in Shanghai. We, 
> > > > > > > > > > >> KAIYUANSHE,
> > 
> > thought
> > 
> > > > > > > > > > >> it'd
> > > > > > > > > > >> be good to reboot the ASF engagement through 
> > > > > > > > > > >> another roadshow in China.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> The Apache Roadshow 2015 - China with KAIYUANSHE 
> > > > > > > > > > >> was organized by KAIYUANSHE and successfully held 
> > > > > > > > > > >> on Oct. 24-25 in
> > > 
> > > Beijing
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >> with ASF's community sponsorship and keynoters 
> > > > > > > > > > >> support,
> > > 
> > > i.e.
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >> Brett Porter, David Nalley, Niclas Hedhman, J. 
> > > > > > > > > > >> Aaron
> > 
> > Farr
> > 
> > > > > > > > > > >> and
> > > > > > > > > > >> Jason
> > > > > > > > > > >> Dai.
> > > > > > > > > > >> Please see more roadshow details here.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> - ASF "Foundation" blog
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > 
> > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >> %2
> > > > > > > > > > >>
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> > > > > > > > > > >> fs.a
> > > > > > > > > > >> pac
> > > > > > > > > > >> he.org%2fq2L&data=01%7c01%7ctedl%
> > 
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=40064d.mgd.microsof
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> > > > > > > > > > >> After the roadshow, we have received tremendous 
> > > > > > > > > > >> requests
> > > 
> > > to
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >> form a China community to keep engaging with 5000+
> > > 
> > > audience
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >> who
> > > > > > > > > > >> attended this roadshow and tens of thousands people 
> > > > > > > > > > >> who
> > > 
> > > did
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >> not
> > > > > > > > > > >> have time or were unaware of the events. So far, 
> > > > > > > > > > >> there already are many volunteers, including Apache 
> > > > > > > > > > >> members, PMC
> > > 
> > > members,
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >> committers, contributors, developers and users, who 
> > > > > > > > > > >> are willing to join the China community steering 
> > > > > > > > > > >> committee and
> > 
> > working
> > 
> > > > > > > > > > >> groups to help grow the talents, projects and 
> > > > > > > > > > >> community
> > 
> > in
> > 
> > > > > > > > > > >> China and bridge between ASF and the fans in China
> > > 
> > > following
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >> the
> > > > > > > > > > >> Apache way.
> > > > > >
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> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> Any feedback or advice on how to form a community 
> > > > > > > > > > >> of
> > > 
> > > Apache
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >> fans in China or how to form a new China-specific
> > 
> > project
> > 
> > > at
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >> the ComDev would be greatly appreciated.
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> > > > > > > > > > >> Ted Liu
> > > > > > > > > > >> Co-organizer of the Apache Roadshow 2015 - China
> > > 
> > > Co-founding
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > > >> member of KAIYUANSHE
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