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Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2015 17:39:49 +0200
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On 26.09.2015 16:16, Pierre Smits wrote:
> Branko,
>
> I am not talking about walls, only about removing confusion from
> definitions.


The question that I keep repeating that you haven't answered is: whose
confusion? Can you show that people are actually confused by our current
definitions? Are *you* confused by them?


>  A contributor can be user, as much as he/she can choose not to
> be a user. Similarly, a developer of project A contributing (in whatever
> form) to project B can be someone who doesn't use (benefits from) the works
> of project B.
>
> I never mentioned that a user can't be a contributor. Maybe you should read
> my suggestions again.
> The distinctions I made were:
>
>    - user = person or organisation benefiting from the works of the project
>    ....
>    - contributor = person contributing ...
>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
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> On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Branko Čibej <brane@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On 26.09.2015 14:45, Pierre Smits wrote:
>>> It is all about removing potential confusion and sending clear messages.
>>>
>>> *re: user*
>>> A user benefits from the contributions. He/she or them (the organisation)
>>> can happily do so without ever interacting with a projects community.
>> They
>>> may even be a subscriber to any or all mailing lists of the ASF without
>>> ever posting anything to a mailing list. They may also enhance the works
>> of
>>> a project without sharing it with the project. Hence the part about users
>>> contributing should removed from the definition.
>> You've not said *why* you think that users can't be contributors. That's
>> totally at odds with the inclusive communities we're trying to build
>> here. A developer can also be a user, a user can also be a contributor.
>> The roles *do* overlap and that's what the current definitions describe.
>> Which of course does not meant that they *have* to overlap in any
>> particular case.
>>
>> It ain't broken so don't try to fix it. You're the first person I've
>> ever heard of who thinks there should be a wall between users and
>> developers.
>>
>> -- Brane
>>
>>