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From Ross Gardler <Ross.Gard...@microsoft.com>
Subject RE: Fwd: A $5B Value: The Code in Linux Foundation Collaborative Projects
Date Wed, 30 Sep 2015 17:02:22 GMT
This whole process is nonsense (not disparaging the work done by people here, it's good to
see comparative numbers). My point is, as Daniel says below, it's all subjective. The value
is not in how much effort it takes to pump out code - hell I've probably written at least
a $B of code by that measure - most of it was never used.

What is important is what economic value does the code produce. If we look at it that way
I'd say our code (and that of LF for that matter) is worth many, many $B more than these numbers
imply. The HTTPd project, for example, drives over 50% of the web - what's the value of the
web?

Ross

-----Original Message-----
From: jan i [mailto:jani@apache.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 8:59 AM
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Re: Fwd: A $5B Value: The Code in Linux Foundation Collaborative Projects

Hi Daniel.

I know that David gave a keynote (was there) with the numbers you mention, but I imaged making
it more "official" like this report, so we have something to sponsors and other interested.

We need to promote ASF, and this could be one  way of doing it.

rgds
jan I.




On 30 September 2015 at 17:20, Daniel Gruno <humbedooh@apache.org> wrote:

> Hi Jan,
> We actually did the math last year for ACEU 2014, I'll try to find it 
> for you.
> But in short, take the LF number, multiply it by 1.25 and you sort of 
> get to the figures we were discussing back then.
> This is highly subjective and not in any way an _actual_ science 
> (neither are the LF numbers, they're all just big guesses), but it's 
> fun do try out the math :)
>
> We have around 140-150 million lines of code at the moment, which by 
> using our own model would take around 38k person-years to do (LF has 
> used some math that makes coding take even longer - by their 
> standards, it would take 50k person-years to write our code). We had a 
> very conservative cost estimation at $2B back then. By LF standards, that figure would
be $6.1B.
>
> With regards,
> Daniel.
>
> On 2015-09-30 16:59, jan iversen wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> This report is real interesting reading, it could be real cool to do 
>> the same math for ASF.
>>
>> Is anybody interested in forming a small work team (a LABS project), 
>> and try to do the calculation for ASF ?
>>
>> rgds
>> jan I.
>>
>>
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