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From Jim Jagielski <>
Subject Re: Passion and vigilance in open source
Date Wed, 23 Sep 2015 02:01:03 GMT
I would be OK with us getting older and forgetting the child-like
wonder (but I don't think that's the case; well, we *are* getting
older, but not forgetting the wonder), IF we were seeing the
child-like wonder being continued, esp by the next gen.

Some see Github as "proof" that the wonder is still there;
even if so, then it's a different kind of 'wonder' and one
which is risky for the continuation of open source.

Wonder is not being able to fork a project, make some patches,
submit a bunch of pull requests and then get a handful of them
committed upstream... That is so.... solitary. The wonder is
working *with* and collaborating *with* and reaching consensus
*with* a group of similarly-minded individuals towards a
common goal. The wonder is the community. And I think that
that is something which is at risk.

To me, Open Source provided an avenue that allowed coders
(and other contributors) to finally work together, openly
and honestly, transparently and meritocractically (if you get
my meaning); it fostered sharing, but not by letting someone
share our toys by playing with them by themselves in some corner
of the sandbox. It was about us all sharing the toys to build
a great sand castle all together in that sandbox, when before
we couldn't.

Are people doing it for fun? Are people seeing the joy and
wonder in our eyes? Or are people doing it just because "that's
what I get paid to do"?

Good questions. Not simple answers :)

> On Sep 22, 2015, at 4:35 PM, Ted Dunning <> wrote:
> Jim,
> Is that really happening?  Is the fun leaving?  Or is it we are all just
> getting old and are forgetting the child-like wonder?
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Jim Jagielski <> wrote:
>> Some of you may know that I've started a Vlog series on Youtube
>> around some topics I find interesting, mostly around open source.
>> My latest is about the risks around open source today where the
>> fun and passion that used to exist around open source is drying
>> up or being discounted. Since Apache is one of the still remaining
>> oasis of open source being all about community and fun whilst still
>> changing the world, I'd like to ask for some thoughts from the
>> membership about their concerns, etc... that I can fold into the
>> 2nd part of this mini-series.
>> If so, please contact me directly. I have set the Reply-To header
>> accordingly.
>> Thx!

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