Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-community-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-community-dev-archive@minotaur.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2EBC61825B for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2015 17:03:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 85878 invoked by uid 500); 10 Aug 2015 17:03:15 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-community-dev-archive@community.apache.org Received: (qmail 85571 invoked by uid 500); 10 Aug 2015 17:03:14 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@community.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: dev@community.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list dev@community.apache.org Received: (qmail 85559 invoked by uid 99); 10 Aug 2015 17:03:14 -0000 Received: from Unknown (HELO spamd3-us-west.apache.org) (209.188.14.142) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 10 Aug 2015 17:03:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spamd3-us-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at spamd3-us-west.apache.org) with ESMTP id 11B461839B4 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2015 17:03:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at spamd3-us-west.apache.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 3.461 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.461 tagged_above=-999 required=6.31 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FROM_LOCAL_HEX=0.331, HTML_MESSAGE=3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=disabled Authentication-Results: spamd3-us-west.apache.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mx1-eu-west.apache.org ([10.40.0.8]) by localhost (spamd3-us-west.apache.org [10.40.0.10]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oRx3-8XyZBai for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2015 17:03:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f181.google.com (mail-wi0-f181.google.com [209.85.212.181]) by mx1-eu-west.apache.org (ASF Mail Server at mx1-eu-west.apache.org) with ESMTPS id 8A79F20FE7 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2015 17:03:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wicja10 with SMTP id ja10so34242178wic.1 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2015 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=M0VUx8naFaAZZU5zQh0HAxjNyOw4Kr63Df9Q+t8p/Mw=; b=PNslIfkk+PVoZRWFesYwbR5S0gZQO4cgczjUvOVKoGCRHiTj9pTHb6G3ppl8cefimq YqVNH8iBFyFO8cct6g9IULgBLZC5JcJsshVqU2d6+98iBo+sA5bK21K++v9peadbX7U0 43QJGcIeH6Qrqor4HDjxtR6vZEs7us3eFBCT9Qp+8BPabiNgLdMIg8GSy3Nmo7x3iIvb ZuuSkoTrWO9G3Ztd4imyqei1MtwycymE6QbztOXs1Ofezn+xs2trO0DeFeuxPNpj672w fWzwm1clnZw1vgT+dLW+IxaPudknoDQ9eqySK4jrcLjJ6SRpE7l/Ysh55agUpg1ZdbjH kWbQ== X-Received: by 10.194.58.236 with SMTP id u12mr40068217wjq.36.1439226185299; Mon, 10 Aug 2015 10:03:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0A45B62D-00FA-4F66-B357-E0240F9E65A1@gmail.com> <55C484B5.8000504@spielviel.de> <86B34B78-B3F6-4DE7-AD71-325272BA3C17@gmail.com> <00A12D1F-16AE-4798-B274-5D22B3E5D891@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: =?UTF-8?B?5p6X5pmJ5qif?= Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 17:02:55 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: slack To: dev@community.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7ba9743686bb5e051cf7f577 --047d7ba9743686bb5e051cf7f577 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jay Vyas =E6=96=BC 2015/8/11=E9=80=B1=E4=BA= =8C 1:00 =E5=AF=AB=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A > A great offset to the **true danger** which is "Real time closed door > communication" is "Real time open communication.". > > This gives the open source engineer a defensible reason to be transparen= t > tell "we can easily have this discussion in the community".... > > > On Aug 10, 2015, at 12:43 PM, Marvin Humphrey > wrote: > > > >> On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Steve Rowe wrote: > >> > >> If Slack could be configured to send a periodic transcript to the > project=E2=80=99s dev mailing list, problem solved, no? > > > > No. People in out-of-the-way time zones are excluded when issues are > > worked out during rapid-fire discussions. So are hobbyists and > > part-time people who can't hover over the keyboard at every moment. > > Real-time communications consolidate power in the hands of people who > > are paid to work on the project. > > > > > Of course, excluding people is quite convenient if you're a company > > that's here for the brandwashing paying lip-service to Apache ideals > > while actually ramming through your agenda. But in theory at least, > > Apache isn't here to serve them. > > > > Marvin Humphrey > --047d7ba9743686bb5e051cf7f577--