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From Gavin McDonald <ga...@16degrees.com.au>
Subject Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?
Date Mon, 17 Aug 2015 09:52:41 GMT
So I checked the config for dev@community and it is set up as a normal dev@ list operates.

Therefore anyone can subscribe to the list and post.

The only thing we can do here is change it to subscription moderation - that is an on|off
switch so therefore 
ALL subscription requests will have to be approved by a moderator.

If you are ok with that I can make the change .

I checked the logs and it looks like a mod has removed the subscription for the user in this
thread.

Let me know,

Gav…

> On 17 Aug 2015, at 9:48 am, Ross Gardler <Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com> wrote:
> 
> Not sure if it's possible (you reply made me think I may be mixing up Google Groups features
with our lists)
> 
> Sent from my Windows Phone
> From: jan i <mailto:jani@apache.org>
> Sent: ‎8/‎17/‎2015 1:44 AM
> To: dev@community.apache.org <mailto:dev@community.apache.org>
> Cc: Roman Shaposhnik <mailto:roman@shaposhnik.org>; Apache Infrastructure <mailto:infrastructure@apache.org>
> Subject: Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?
> 
> On 17 August 2015 at 10:24, Ross Gardler <Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com <mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com>>
wrote:
> 
> > Moderating first posts would be better.
> >
> +1 to that solution (did not know that was possible), that way the
> moderators to not get overloaded with work.
> 
> Alternative would be to allow apache ID, and moderate others.
> 
> rgds
> jan i.
> 
> 
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sebb [mailto:sebbaz@gmail.com <mailto:sebbaz@gmail.com>]
> > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 1:22 AM
> > To: Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org <mailto:roman@shaposhnik.org>>
> > Cc: ComDev <dev@community.apache.org <mailto:dev@community.apache.org>>;
Apache Infrastructure <
> > infrastructure@apache.org <mailto:infrastructure@apache.org>>
> > Subject: Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?
> >
> > This is a new subscription (send an e-mail to dev-log@community.a.o <mailto:dev-log@community.a.o>
for
> > details)
> >
> > Perhaps we need to consider moderated subscriptions for this list.
> >
> > On 16 August 2015 at 21:33, Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org <mailto:roman@shaposhnik.org>>
wrote:
> > > This email echoing keeps happening. I thought we've dealt with it, no?
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > From: 田義忠 <name0905189282@icloud.com <mailto:name0905189282@icloud.com>>
> > > Date: Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 1:27 PM
> > > Subject: Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at
> > ASF?
> > > To: "dev@community.apache.org <mailto:dev@community.apache.org>" <dev@community.apache.org
<mailto:dev@community.apache.org>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 從我的 iPhone 傳送
> > >
> > >> Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org <mailto:roman@shaposhnik.org>>
於 2015年8月17日 04:25 寫道:
> > >>
> > >>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Shane Curcuru <asf@shanecurcuru.org
<mailto:asf@shanecurcuru.org>>
> > wrote:
> > >>>> On 8/7/15 7:53 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> > >>>> Bill,
> > >>>> So I can release "Niclas Hadoop platform, based on Apache Hadoop"
> > >>>> ?? I thought the discussion a few years ago was that this was
> > misleading...
> > >>>
> > >>> No, you cannot.  See our actual trademark policy:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fwww
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fwww>
> > >>> .apache.org <http://apache.org/>%2ffoundation%2fmarks%2ffaq%2f%23products&data=01%7c01%7c
> > >>> ross.gardler%40microsoft.com <http://40microsoft.com/>%7c53be77cdd3ef4dca285308d2a6dced17%7c72
> > >>> f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=DdcuJh%2bbhphaiy7yoW%2f2caG
> > >>> y15TIxfrsXg1V%2fHh9Jsg%3d
> > >>>
> > >>> Our release policy, as Roman originally asked about, applies only to
> > >>> ASF projects, and has no bearing on third parties.  However our
> > >>> trademark policy, and trademark law, prevents third parties from
> > >>> publicly providing software using our trademarks.
> > >>>
> > >>> Our operational policies only apply to our projects, just like any
> > >>> other corporation.  Some policies, like our license itself and our
> > >>> formal trademark policy, inform the rest of the world how they are
> > >>> allowed to use our websites, software code, and brands.
> > >>>
> > >>> Make sense?
> > >>
> > >> It does, but our relationships with downstream Linux vendors (just to
> > >> take the most obvious example) set a very confusing precedent.
> > >>
> > >> Shane, if would be super helpful if you took a look at:
> > >>
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fpkgs.org%2fsearch%2fhadoop&data=01%7c01%7cross.gardler%40microsoft.com%7c53be77cdd3ef4dca285308d2a6dced17%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=ZXiKGbcB8ekfCts3JOcHVPYpX35xcqfr87Adbmf77%2f8%3d
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fpkgs.org%2fsearch%2fhadoop&data=01%7c01%7cross.gardler%40microsoft.com%7c53be77cdd3ef4dca285308d2a6dced17%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=ZXiKGbcB8ekfCts3JOcHVPYpX35xcqfr87Adbmf77%2f8%3d>
> > >>
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fpkgs.org%2fsearch%2fmaven&data=01%7c01%7cross.gardler%40microsoft.com%7c53be77cdd3ef4dca285308d2a6dced17%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=bbku3kk8GRT8rNXWo5gwhRfpWIOoouH%2buNNzmrCpI0I%3d
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fpkgs.org%2fsearch%2fmaven&data=01%7c01%7cross.gardler%40microsoft.com%7c53be77cdd3ef4dca285308d2a6dced17%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=bbku3kk8GRT8rNXWo5gwhRfpWIOoouH%2buNNzmrCpI0I%3d>
> > >>
> > >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fpkgs <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fpkgs>.
> > >> org%2fsearch%2fsubversion&data=01%7c01%7cross.gardler%40microsoft.com
<http://40microsoft.com/>
> > >> %7c53be77cdd3ef4dca285308d2a6dced17%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db4
> > >> 7%7c1&sdata=BEHyTF%2b6dOsaARgvSX3%2bp1gWPkiVjbg7wODXVv2tzA8%3d
> > >> and pubished your narrative of how the ASF branding policies apply in
> > >> both cases.
> > >>
> > >> The 3 projects I'm picking represent a pretty diverse set of cases of
> > >> how PMCs are conducting themselves.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >> Roman.
> >

Gav...

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