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From Ross Gardler <Ross.Gard...@microsoft.com>
Subject RE: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?
Date Mon, 17 Aug 2015 08:24:36 GMT
Moderating first posts would be better.

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To: Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org>
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Subject: Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

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On 16 August 2015 at 21:33, Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org> wrote:
> This email echoing keeps happening. I thought we've dealt with it, no?
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> Date: Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 1:27 PM
> Subject: Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?
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> 從我的 iPhone 傳送
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>> Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org> 於 2015年8月17日 04:25 寫道:
>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Shane Curcuru <asf@shanecurcuru.org> wrote:
>>>> On 8/7/15 7:53 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
>>>> Bill,
>>>> So I can release "Niclas Hadoop platform, based on Apache Hadoop" 
>>>> ?? I thought the discussion a few years ago was that this was misleading...
>>>
>>> No, you cannot.  See our actual trademark policy:
>>>
>>>  
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fwww
>>> .apache.org%2ffoundation%2fmarks%2ffaq%2f%23products&data=01%7c01%7c
>>> ross.gardler%40microsoft.com%7c53be77cdd3ef4dca285308d2a6dced17%7c72
>>> f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=DdcuJh%2bbhphaiy7yoW%2f2caG
>>> y15TIxfrsXg1V%2fHh9Jsg%3d
>>>
>>> Our release policy, as Roman originally asked about, applies only to 
>>> ASF projects, and has no bearing on third parties.  However our 
>>> trademark policy, and trademark law, prevents third parties from 
>>> publicly providing software using our trademarks.
>>>
>>> Our operational policies only apply to our projects, just like any 
>>> other corporation.  Some policies, like our license itself and our 
>>> formal trademark policy, inform the rest of the world how they are 
>>> allowed to use our websites, software code, and brands.
>>>
>>> Make sense?
>>
>> It does, but our relationships with downstream Linux vendors (just to 
>> take the most obvious example) set a very confusing precedent.
>>
>> Shane, if would be super helpful if you took a look at:
>>   https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fpkgs.org%2fsearch%2fhadoop&data=01%7c01%7cross.gardler%40microsoft.com%7c53be77cdd3ef4dca285308d2a6dced17%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=ZXiKGbcB8ekfCts3JOcHVPYpX35xcqfr87Adbmf77%2f8%3d
>>   https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fpkgs.org%2fsearch%2fmaven&data=01%7c01%7cross.gardler%40microsoft.com%7c53be77cdd3ef4dca285308d2a6dced17%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=bbku3kk8GRT8rNXWo5gwhRfpWIOoouH%2buNNzmrCpI0I%3d
>>   
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fpkgs.
>> org%2fsearch%2fsubversion&data=01%7c01%7cross.gardler%40microsoft.com
>> %7c53be77cdd3ef4dca285308d2a6dced17%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db4
>> 7%7c1&sdata=BEHyTF%2b6dOsaARgvSX3%2bp1gWPkiVjbg7wODXVv2tzA8%3d
>> and pubished your narrative of how the ASF branding policies apply in 
>> both cases.
>>
>> The 3 projects I'm picking represent a pretty diverse set of cases of 
>> how PMCs are conducting themselves.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Roman.
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