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From Ross Gardler <Ross.Gard...@microsoft.com>
Subject RE: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?
Date Mon, 17 Aug 2015 08:48:32 GMT
Not sure if it's possible (you reply made me think I may be mixing up Google Groups features
with our lists)

Sent from my Windows Phone
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From: jan i<mailto:jani@apache.org>
Sent: ‎8/‎17/‎2015 1:44 AM
To: dev@community.apache.org<mailto:dev@community.apache.org>
Cc: Roman Shaposhnik<mailto:roman@shaposhnik.org>; Apache Infrastructure<mailto:infrastructure@apache.org>
Subject: Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?

On 17 August 2015 at 10:24, Ross Gardler <Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com> wrote:

> Moderating first posts would be better.
>
+1 to that solution (did not know that was possible), that way the
moderators to not get overloaded with work.

Alternative would be to allow apache ID, and moderate others.

rgds
jan i.


>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sebb [mailto:sebbaz@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 1:22 AM
> To: Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org>
> Cc: ComDev <dev@community.apache.org>; Apache Infrastructure <
> infrastructure@apache.org>
> Subject: Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?
>
> This is a new subscription (send an e-mail to dev-log@community.a.o for
> details)
>
> Perhaps we need to consider moderated subscriptions for this list.
>
> On 16 August 2015 at 21:33, Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org> wrote:
> > This email echoing keeps happening. I thought we've dealt with it, no?
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: 田義忠 <name0905189282@icloud.com>
> > Date: Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 1:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at
> ASF?
> > To: "dev@community.apache.org" <dev@community.apache.org>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 從我的 iPhone 傳送
> >
> >> Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org> 於 2015年8月17日 04:25 寫道:
> >>
> >>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Shane Curcuru <asf@shanecurcuru.org>
> wrote:
> >>>> On 8/7/15 7:53 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> >>>> Bill,
> >>>> So I can release "Niclas Hadoop platform, based on Apache Hadoop"
> >>>> ?? I thought the discussion a few years ago was that this was
> misleading...
> >>>
> >>> No, you cannot.  See our actual trademark policy:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fwww
> >>> .apache.org%2ffoundation%2fmarks%2ffaq%2f%23products&data=01%7c01%7c
> >>> ross.gardler%40microsoft.com%7c53be77cdd3ef4dca285308d2a6dced17%7c72
> >>> f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=DdcuJh%2bbhphaiy7yoW%2f2caG
> >>> y15TIxfrsXg1V%2fHh9Jsg%3d
> >>>
> >>> Our release policy, as Roman originally asked about, applies only to
> >>> ASF projects, and has no bearing on third parties.  However our
> >>> trademark policy, and trademark law, prevents third parties from
> >>> publicly providing software using our trademarks.
> >>>
> >>> Our operational policies only apply to our projects, just like any
> >>> other corporation.  Some policies, like our license itself and our
> >>> formal trademark policy, inform the rest of the world how they are
> >>> allowed to use our websites, software code, and brands.
> >>>
> >>> Make sense?
> >>
> >> It does, but our relationships with downstream Linux vendors (just to
> >> take the most obvious example) set a very confusing precedent.
> >>
> >> Shane, if would be super helpful if you took a look at:
> >>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fpkgs.org%2fsearch%2fhadoop&data=01%7c01%7cross.gardler%40microsoft.com%7c53be77cdd3ef4dca285308d2a6dced17%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=ZXiKGbcB8ekfCts3JOcHVPYpX35xcqfr87Adbmf77%2f8%3d
> >>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fpkgs.org%2fsearch%2fmaven&data=01%7c01%7cross.gardler%40microsoft.com%7c53be77cdd3ef4dca285308d2a6dced17%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=bbku3kk8GRT8rNXWo5gwhRfpWIOoouH%2buNNzmrCpI0I%3d
> >>
> >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fpkgs.
> >> org%2fsearch%2fsubversion&data=01%7c01%7cross.gardler%40microsoft.com
> >> %7c53be77cdd3ef4dca285308d2a6dced17%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db4
> >> 7%7c1&sdata=BEHyTF%2b6dOsaARgvSX3%2bp1gWPkiVjbg7wODXVv2tzA8%3d
> >> and pubished your narrative of how the ASF branding policies apply in
> >> both cases.
> >>
> >> The 3 projects I'm picking represent a pretty diverse set of cases of
> >> how PMCs are conducting themselves.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Roman.
>
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