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From sebb <seb...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?
Date Mon, 17 Aug 2015 11:46:07 GMT
On 17 August 2015 at 10:52, Gavin McDonald <gavin@16degrees.com.au> wrote:
> So I checked the config for dev@community and it is set up as a normal dev@ list operates.
>
> Therefore anyone can subscribe to the list and post.
>
> The only thing we can do here is change it to subscription moderation - that is an on|off
switch so therefore
> ALL subscription requests will have to be approved by a moderator.
>
> If you are ok with that I can make the change .

+1 from me.


> I checked the logs and it looks like a mod has removed the subscription for the user
in this thread.

That was me, sorry forgot to let the list know.

> Let me know,
>
> Gav…
>
>> On 17 Aug 2015, at 9:48 am, Ross Gardler <Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>> Not sure if it's possible (you reply made me think I may be mixing up Google Groups
features with our lists)
>>
>> Sent from my Windows Phone
>> From: jan i <mailto:jani@apache.org>
>> Sent: ‎8/‎17/‎2015 1:44 AM
>> To: dev@community.apache.org <mailto:dev@community.apache.org>
>> Cc: Roman Shaposhnik <mailto:roman@shaposhnik.org>; Apache Infrastructure <mailto:infrastructure@apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?
>>
>> On 17 August 2015 at 10:24, Ross Gardler <Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com <mailto:Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com>>
wrote:
>>
>> > Moderating first posts would be better.
>> >
>> +1 to that solution (did not know that was possible), that way the
>> moderators to not get overloaded with work.
>>
>> Alternative would be to allow apache ID, and moderate others.
>>
>> rgds
>> jan i.
>>
>>
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: sebb [mailto:sebbaz@gmail.com <mailto:sebbaz@gmail.com>]
>> > Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 1:22 AM
>> > To: Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org <mailto:roman@shaposhnik.org>>
>> > Cc: ComDev <dev@community.apache.org <mailto:dev@community.apache.org>>;
Apache Infrastructure <
>> > infrastructure@apache.org <mailto:infrastructure@apache.org>>
>> > Subject: Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?
>> >
>> > This is a new subscription (send an e-mail to dev-log@community.a.o <mailto:dev-log@community.a.o>
for
>> > details)
>> >
>> > Perhaps we need to consider moderated subscriptions for this list.
>> >
>> > On 16 August 2015 at 21:33, Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org <mailto:roman@shaposhnik.org>>
wrote:
>> > > This email echoing keeps happening. I thought we've dealt with it, no?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> > > From: 田義忠 <name0905189282@icloud.com <mailto:name0905189282@icloud.com>>
>> > > Date: Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 1:27 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at
>> > ASF?
>> > > To: "dev@community.apache.org <mailto:dev@community.apache.org>"
<dev@community.apache.org <mailto:dev@community.apache.org>>
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 從我的 iPhone 傳送
>> > >
>> > >> Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org <mailto:roman@shaposhnik.org>>
於 2015年8月17日 04:25 寫道:
>> > >>
>> > >>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Shane Curcuru <asf@shanecurcuru.org
<mailto:asf@shanecurcuru.org>>
>> > wrote:
>> > >>>> On 8/7/15 7:53 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
>> > >>>> Bill,
>> > >>>> So I can release "Niclas Hadoop platform, based on Apache Hadoop"
>> > >>>> ?? I thought the discussion a few years ago was that this was
>> > misleading...
>> > >>>
>> > >>> No, you cannot.  See our actual trademark policy:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fwww
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fwww>
>> > >>> .apache.org <http://apache.org/>%2ffoundation%2fmarks%2ffaq%2f%23products&data=01%7c01%7c
>> > >>> ross.gardler%40microsoft.com <http://40microsoft.com/>%7c53be77cdd3ef4dca285308d2a6dced17%7c72
>> > >>> f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=DdcuJh%2bbhphaiy7yoW%2f2caG
>> > >>> y15TIxfrsXg1V%2fHh9Jsg%3d
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Our release policy, as Roman originally asked about, applies only
to
>> > >>> ASF projects, and has no bearing on third parties.  However our
>> > >>> trademark policy, and trademark law, prevents third parties from
>> > >>> publicly providing software using our trademarks.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Our operational policies only apply to our projects, just like
any
>> > >>> other corporation.  Some policies, like our license itself and
our
>> > >>> formal trademark policy, inform the rest of the world how they
are
>> > >>> allowed to use our websites, software code, and brands.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Make sense?
>> > >>
>> > >> It does, but our relationships with downstream Linux vendors (just
to
>> > >> take the most obvious example) set a very confusing precedent.
>> > >>
>> > >> Shane, if would be super helpful if you took a look at:
>> > >>
>> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fpkgs.org%2fsearch%2fhadoop&data=01%7c01%7cross.gardler%40microsoft.com%7c53be77cdd3ef4dca285308d2a6dced17%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=ZXiKGbcB8ekfCts3JOcHVPYpX35xcqfr87Adbmf77%2f8%3d
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fpkgs.org%2fsearch%2fhadoop&data=01%7c01%7cross.gardler%40microsoft.com%7c53be77cdd3ef4dca285308d2a6dced17%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=ZXiKGbcB8ekfCts3JOcHVPYpX35xcqfr87Adbmf77%2f8%3d>
>> > >>
>> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fpkgs.org%2fsearch%2fmaven&data=01%7c01%7cross.gardler%40microsoft.com%7c53be77cdd3ef4dca285308d2a6dced17%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=bbku3kk8GRT8rNXWo5gwhRfpWIOoouH%2buNNzmrCpI0I%3d
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fpkgs.org%2fsearch%2fmaven&data=01%7c01%7cross.gardler%40microsoft.com%7c53be77cdd3ef4dca285308d2a6dced17%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=bbku3kk8GRT8rNXWo5gwhRfpWIOoouH%2buNNzmrCpI0I%3d>
>> > >>
>> > >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fpkgs
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fpkgs>.
>> > >> org%2fsearch%2fsubversion&data=01%7c01%7cross.gardler%40microsoft.com
<http://40microsoft.com/>
>> > >> %7c53be77cdd3ef4dca285308d2a6dced17%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db4
>> > >> 7%7c1&sdata=BEHyTF%2b6dOsaARgvSX3%2bp1gWPkiVjbg7wODXVv2tzA8%3d
>> > >> and pubished your narrative of how the ASF branding policies apply
in
>> > >> both cases.
>> > >>
>> > >> The 3 projects I'm picking represent a pretty diverse set of cases
of
>> > >> how PMCs are conducting themselves.
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks,
>> > >> Roman.
>> >
>
> Gav...
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