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From 田義忠 <name0905189...@icloud.com>
Subject Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?
Date Mon, 17 Aug 2015 09:35:57 GMT


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> Ross Gardler <Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com> 於 2015年8月17日 16:24 寫道:
> 
> Moderating first posts would be better.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sebb [mailto:sebbaz@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2015 1:22 AM
> To: Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org>
> Cc: ComDev <dev@community.apache.org>; Apache Infrastructure <infrastructure@apache.org>
> Subject: Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?
> 
> This is a new subscription (send an e-mail to dev-log@community.a.o for details)
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> Perhaps we need to consider moderated subscriptions for this list.
> 
>> On 16 August 2015 at 21:33, Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org> wrote:
>> This email echoing keeps happening. I thought we've dealt with it, no?
>> 
>> 
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: 田義忠 <name0905189282@icloud.com>
>> Date: Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 1:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: What is the legal basis for enforcing release policies at ASF?
>> To: "dev@community.apache.org" <dev@community.apache.org>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 從我的 iPhone 傳送
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>>>> Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org> 於 2015年8月17日 04:25
寫道:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Shane Curcuru <asf@shanecurcuru.org>
wrote:
>>>>> On 8/7/15 7:53 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
>>>>> Bill,
>>>>> So I can release "Niclas Hadoop platform, based on Apache Hadoop" 
>>>>> ?? I thought the discussion a few years ago was that this was misleading...
>>>> 
>>>> No, you cannot.  See our actual trademark policy:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3a%2f%2fwww
>>>> .apache.org%2ffoundation%2fmarks%2ffaq%2f%23products&data=01%7c01%7c
>>>> ross.gardler%40microsoft.com%7c53be77cdd3ef4dca285308d2a6dced17%7c72
>>>> f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=DdcuJh%2bbhphaiy7yoW%2f2caG
>>>> y15TIxfrsXg1V%2fHh9Jsg%3d
>>>> 
>>>> Our release policy, as Roman originally asked about, applies only to 
>>>> ASF projects, and has no bearing on third parties.  However our 
>>>> trademark policy, and trademark law, prevents third parties from 
>>>> publicly providing software using our trademarks.
>>>> 
>>>> Our operational policies only apply to our projects, just like any 
>>>> other corporation.  Some policies, like our license itself and our 
>>>> formal trademark policy, inform the rest of the world how they are 
>>>> allowed to use our websites, software code, and brands.
>>>> 
>>>> Make sense?
>>> 
>>> It does, but our relationships with downstream Linux vendors (just to 
>>> take the most obvious example) set a very confusing precedent.
>>> 
>>> Shane, if would be super helpful if you took a look at:
>>>  https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fpkgs.org%2fsearch%2fhadoop&data=01%7c01%7cross.gardler%40microsoft.com%7c53be77cdd3ef4dca285308d2a6dced17%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=ZXiKGbcB8ekfCts3JOcHVPYpX35xcqfr87Adbmf77%2f8%3d
>>>  https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fpkgs.org%2fsearch%2fmaven&data=01%7c01%7cross.gardler%40microsoft.com%7c53be77cdd3ef4dca285308d2a6dced17%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7c1&sdata=bbku3kk8GRT8rNXWo5gwhRfpWIOoouH%2buNNzmrCpI0I%3d
>>> 
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3a%2f%2fpkgs.
>>> org%2fsearch%2fsubversion&data=01%7c01%7cross.gardler%40microsoft.com
>>> %7c53be77cdd3ef4dca285308d2a6dced17%7c72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db4
>>> 7%7c1&sdata=BEHyTF%2b6dOsaARgvSX3%2bp1gWPkiVjbg7wODXVv2tzA8%3d
>>> and pubished your narrative of how the ASF branding policies apply in 
>>> both cases.
>>> 
>>> The 3 projects I'm picking represent a pretty diverse set of cases of 
>>> how PMCs are conducting themselves.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Roman.

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