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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 21:09:27 +0300
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Subject: Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of
 Better specifying....)
From: Pierre Smits <pierre.smits@gmail.com>
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No worries, Konstantin. I won't hold that against you.

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

*ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
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On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <cos@apache.org> wrote:

> Just to point to the source of my confusiony. My impression came from this
> part:
>
> > > > Like expressed earlier, that loosely way of interpreting ASF
> guidelines has
> > > > led to the situation that the board charges newly established
> projects to
> > > > define its bylaws. Charges that are then disregarded by the project
> and not
> > > > followed up on by the board and or the appointed VP of the project.
>
> The subsequent colorful passage about the snowflake led me to believe that
> you're indeed found a way to prevent said snowflake from landing on the
> top of
> the mountain. Looks like my interpretation of the meaning of it was quite
> suboptimal. Thanks for the explanation, Pierre.
>
> Cos
>
> On Mon, Jul 06, 2015 at 08:47PM, Pierre Smits wrote:
> > Hi Konstantin,
> >
> > No, I am not saying that, neither explicitly nor effectively. Thus no,
> not
> > a correct representation of the point of discussion. Maybe you got that
> > impression (regarding blanket bylaws, or projects going off the handle)
> by
> > reading the postings of others.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Pierre
> >
> > Op maandag 6 juli 2015 heeft Konstantin Boudnik <cos@apache.org> het
> > volgende geschreven:
> >
> > > Let me see if I read you right, Pierre. Effectively, you're saying that
> > > imposing a blanket bylaws system should help to prevent some rare
> cases of
> > > established projects going off the handle? Is this a correct
> > > representation of
> > > the point of this discussion?
> > >
> > > I am not as eloquent as you're in painting the picture of the law-less
> > > land,
> > > thus please accept my apologies in advance if I came to the wrong
> > > conclusions.
> > >
> > > With best regards,
> > >   Cos
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 06, 2015 at 01:34PM, Pierre Smits wrote:
> > > > Like expressed earlier, that loosely way of interpreting ASF
> guidelines has
> > > > led to the situation that the board charges newly established
> projects to
> > > > define its bylaws. Charges that are then disregarded by the project
> and not
> > > > followed up on by the board and or the appointed VP of the project.
> > > >
> > > > It is such that makes the determination of 'doing the right thing,
> doing
> > > it
> > > > the right way' less credible in stead of more. The show flake falling
> > > down
> > > > at the top of the mountain creates the avalanche in the valley.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > >
> > > > Pierre Smits
> > > >
> > > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> > > > Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> > > > Based Manufacturing, Professional
> > > > Services and Retail & Trade
> > > > http://www.orrtiz.com
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> > > bdelacretaz@apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Pierre Smits <
> pierre.smits@gmail.com
> > > <javascript:;>>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > ...The latest posting by Jan proves the point of the necessity of
> > > good
> > > > > > per-project bylaws when it comes to deviating from the generic
> > > guidelines
> > > > > > of the ASF...
> > > > >
> > > > > But as others have said, the best is to stick to those guidelines
> and
> > > > > use the default bylaws, unless it's absolutely necessary to do
> things
> > > > > differently.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Bertrand
> > > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Pierre Smits
> >
> > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> > Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> > Based Manufacturing, Professional
> > Services and Retail & Trade
> > http://www.orrtiz.com
>

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