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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 20:57:48 +0300
From: Konstantin Boudnik <cos@apache.org>
To: dev@community.apache.org
Subject: Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of
 Better specifying....)
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Just to point to the source of my confusiony. My impression came from this =
part:

> > > Like expressed earlier, that loosely way of interpreting ASF guidelin=
es has
> > > led to the situation that the board charges newly established project=
s to
> > > define its bylaws. Charges that are then disregarded by the project a=
nd not
> > > followed up on by the board and or the appointed VP of the project.

The subsequent colorful passage about the snowflake led me to believe that
you're indeed found a way to prevent said snowflake from landing on the top=
 of
the mountain. Looks like my interpretation of the meaning of it was quite
suboptimal. Thanks for the explanation, Pierre.

Cos

On Mon, Jul 06, 2015 at 08:47PM, Pierre Smits wrote:
> Hi Konstantin,
>=20
> No, I am not saying that, neither explicitly nor effectively. Thus no, not
> a correct representation of the point of discussion. Maybe you got that
> impression (regarding blanket bylaws, or projects going off the handle) by
> reading the postings of others.
>=20
> Best regards,
>=20
> Pierre
>=20
> Op maandag 6 juli 2015 heeft Konstantin Boudnik <cos@apache.org> het
> volgende geschreven:
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> > Let me see if I read you right, Pierre. Effectively, you're saying that
> > imposing a blanket bylaws system should help to prevent some rare cases=
 of
> > established projects going off the handle? Is this a correct
> > representation of
> > the point of this discussion?
> >
> > I am not as eloquent as you're in painting the picture of the law-less
> > land,
> > thus please accept my apologies in advance if I came to the wrong
> > conclusions.
> >
> > With best regards,
> >   Cos
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 06, 2015 at 01:34PM, Pierre Smits wrote:
> > > Like expressed earlier, that loosely way of interpreting ASF guidelin=
es has
> > > led to the situation that the board charges newly established project=
s to
> > > define its bylaws. Charges that are then disregarded by the project a=
nd not
> > > followed up on by the board and or the appointed VP of the project.
> > >
> > > It is such that makes the determination of 'doing the right thing, do=
ing
> > it
> > > the right way' less credible in stead of more. The show flake falling
> > down
> > > at the top of the mountain creates the avalanche in the valley.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Pierre Smits
> > >
> > > *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> > > Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> > > Based Manufacturing, Professional
> > > Services and Retail & Trade
> > > http://www.orrtiz.com
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:25 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> > bdelacretaz@apache.org <javascript:;>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:38 AM, Pierre Smits <pierre.smits@gmail.c=
om
> > <javascript:;>>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > ...The latest posting by Jan proves the point of the necessity of
> > good
> > > > > per-project bylaws when it comes to deviating from the generic
> > guidelines
> > > > > of the ASF...
> > > >
> > > > But as others have said, the best is to stick to those guidelines a=
nd
> > > > use the default bylaws, unless it's absolutely necessary to do thin=
gs
> > > > differently.
> > > >
> > > > -Bertrand
> > > >
> >
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>=20
> --=20
> Pierre Smits
>=20
> *ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com>*
> Services & Solutions for Cloud-
> Based Manufacturing, Professional
> Services and Retail & Trade
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