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From sebb <>
Subject Re: displaying incorrect data - who is responsible for the host?
Date Sat, 11 Jul 2015 19:02:10 GMT
On 10 July 2015 at 04:30, David Nalley <> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 7:38 PM, sebb <> wrote:
>> On 9 July 2015 at 22:20, Mike Kienenberger <> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Mike Kienenberger <>
>>>> I noticed that the new reporter output now contains "LDAP" in a way
>>>> that makes it sound like "LDAP" is the project name.   Is this
>>>> intentional?   It seems awkward and unnecessary to have "LDAP" in
>>>> there instead of "PMC", and when I read the first report containing
>>>> that verbiage, I thought there was was copy&paste error in the report.
>>> As I read through the previous emails in the thread, I'm pretty sure
>>> it was intentional.
>>> My opinion is that it would be far more readable to state it like this:
>>> ==============
>>> ## PMC/Committership changes (from LDAP):
>> Perhaps, but PMC membership is not governed by LDAP committee group changes
>> It is not unknown for the LDAP group to be updated a long while before
>> (or after) the PMC membership changes (indicated by updating the
>> committee-info.txt file).
>> A person may be on the PMC but not in LDAP and vice versa.
>> Therefore it is wrong for the site to equate the two.
> The above is strictly true, however, being in LDAP results in being
> granted the karma for several things that a PMC member might need
> (mail-search karma for a project, access to the projects private svn
> tree, etc)
> I don't think that the reporter site is looking to be a canonical
> source of truth, so perhaps LDAP records are close enough.

Note that the Marvin bot unconditionally recommends using

"Chairs may use the Apache Reporter Service [3] to help them compile and
submit a board report."

I think it's important chairs know what sources are used by reporter.

Note: if read access were granted to committee-info.txt as per
INFRA-9942, then reporter.a.o could accurately report PMC membership;
there would be no need to make assumptions about the LDAP committee

> Particularly since a committer account is LDAP based, so looking at a
> single source of information for both PMC and committer stats, even if
> not necessarily the canonical source of that information, seems at
> least pragmatic, even though there is a chance of inaccuracy.

>> [I am hopeful that the site will be able to use the correct source
>> data eventually, but that is waiting on getting suitable access
>> rights]
>> There is a separate issue which is that not all PMCs equate committers
>> with LDAP. For example, Subversion and Commons allow any ASF committer
>> to update their SVN tree, so they don't maintain the group.
>> Furthermore, I'm not sure the LDAP unix groups are used for Git-based projects.
> LDAP groups are used exclusively for git.
> svn is a good deal more flexible from a permissions perspective.
>>>  - Currently 76 committers and 39 PMC members in the project.
>>>  - Hazem Saleh was added to the PMC on Fri May 15 2015
>>>  - New commmitters:
>>>     - Bill Lucy was added as a committer on Tue Jun 23 2015
>>>     - Ross Clewley was added as a committer on Mon May 18 2015
>>>     - Thomas Andraschko was added as a committer on Thu Jul 02 2015
>>>     - Dennis Kieselhorst was added as a committer on Mon May 11 2015
>>> ==============

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