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From jan i <j...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)
Date Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:27:54 GMT
On 10 July 2015 at 12:56, Pierre Smits <pierre.smits@gmail.com> wrote:

> Tim,
>
> It seems you're rather fond of it. Quite the number of posters in this
> thread are particpating in either body, or both. I feel confident that they
> can take it as input from here and discuss appropriate follow-up in their
> specific mailing lists.
>
I you want board to make a change you need to make a proposal to board@
otherwise it is most likely not going to happen.

rgds
jan i.


>
> Best regards,
>
> Pierre Smits
>
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> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Tim Williams <williamstw@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 10:23 AM, Pierre Smits <pierre.smits@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Branko,
> > >
> > > I am confident that the existing project with bylaws, policies and/or
> > > standing rules formalised has had its share of discussions regarding
> > > applicability of elements therein.. And have resolved those. I guess
> that
> > > when such an element is either to vague or to restrictive so that the
> > > situation becomes untenable to move things forward, the community will
> > find
> > > ways to resolve it.
> > >
> > > This thread is about:
> > >
> > >
> > >    - why does the Board tasks projects to create a set of bylaws for
> some
> > >    graduating podlings (when so many seem to feel that it doesn't add
> > value);
> > >    - and when it does, why doesn't it  follow up on the task or request
> > the
> > >    VP of the project to report on its progress until the task is
> > completed.
> > >
> > > It has to come from somewhere. It seems to come to light during the
> > > incubation phase. Don't mentors advice properly?
> >
> > I reckon the answer to these questions is simply that we've all
> > realized over a long period of time that project-specific bylaws -
> > while once popular and thought necessary - aren't desirable.  We
> > thought they were necessary a decade ago and over the course of time
> > realized not so much. And, while we've all come to that realization,
> > no one has taken the time to change the TLP resolution to reflect
> > that. And that's likely because most of us don't have bureaucratic
> > itches - you apparently do, so why not just ask the incubator
> > PMC/board to drop that paragraph?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > --tim
> >
>

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