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From Pierre Smits <>
Subject Re: Incubating, Graduating & Code of conduct @ The ASF (spin-off of Better specifying....)
Date Mon, 06 Jul 2015 08:49:15 GMT
I would say that the (hints of) examples presented, especially meaning
deviation of the general 'guideline' of a simple majority vote for
(procedural) aspects would be enough reason for any aspiring ASF project to
do just to all to have a set of bylaws.

Despite all the ASF pages to make its philosophies interpretable in only
one way, I hear/see a lot of variants of what is the Apache Way or the
Apache Code of Conduct from various - fellow - ASF politicians (pun
intended :-)).

It is bylaws that decrease the ambiguity instilled in the ASF pages,
ensuring that due process is or can be established, that every contributor
can expect rules to be applied equally to all. Guidelines, as some of the
esteemed Members of the ASF or participants in this discussion seem to
regard the policies of the ASF, don't deliver that.

Remember, like Sarbanes-Oxley intended with respect to how enterprises
conduct their business , per project bylaws feed into the aspect of
compliance to the ASF doctrine or explain when deviating on points.

Best regards,

Pierre Smits

Services & Solutions for Cloud-
Based Manufacturing, Professional
Services and Retail & Trade

On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 10:18 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> wrote:

> Hi,
> On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 6:30 AM, Pierre Smits <>
> wrote:
> > ....if a project wants to deviate from the general rule of a simple
> > majority voting for specific aspects  - think off changing the direction
> or
> > goal of the project, or e.g. every registered contributor (iCLA filed)
> has
> > a vote with respect of onboarding new PMC Members - this must be
> > incorporated in the bylaws of a project....
> This makes me feel like there you have an actual case behind this
> whole discussion.
> If that's correct, it might be easier to discuss the actual case
> rather than higher level and more abstract things.
> -Bertrand

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